Pugs in DF Can't do A12

[Rawrz]

A12 is noob tier compared to A11. It is as the horrifying prophecy of A11 had said "Forward (in the raid,) but back (in difficulty. )

Your only 2 hopes for A11
1) Preferred- Get a red hot burn and skip second phase photons/Shiva Circles
2) Healer LB- Assuming the healer and a tank can survive self destruct of the last add.

Protip: The Wardens Paean, makes yourself or the MT immune to confuse from propellar wind.

No idea how people have any trouble with A12. I mostly Queue on healer though.

[Rhodkr]

I don't seem to have the issues you all are having. I've never had a Creator run be vote abandoned and except for the first time I ran it, I've done it all on DF. So I've not experienced what you're complaining about.

[Nestama]

Most of my DF runs in A12N end in victory. The only time we ever vote abandon is after two wipes and it's usually just because the healers can't keep up.

OP, you're just having bad luck. That's all. Don't blame the content, blame the players.

[KoroushSensei]

i completed a12 as main tank on launch day with a group from duty finder. we all went in blind. of course this was my second time as my first group abandoned because of wipes

[Blindheart]

I have done this raid 2 times in 2 weeks, bot wins on first runs and got my loot.... The 2nd time the party I was with left me dead for 3/4 of the fight and refused to Rez me... So apparently you don't even need 8 people to win.

[ADVSS]

I have done this raid 2 times in 2 weeks, bot wins on first runs and got my loot.... The 2nd time the party I was with left me dead for 3/4 of the fight and refused to Rez me... So apparently you don't even need 8 people to win.

lucky, ive had groups hit enrage cause theyd let a couple dps sleep the fight over after prey got them, or the green arrow

[Lone-wolfe-02]

A12 is easy lol it's just df is bad and the players who use it are bad.

[Lisotte]

Man, I really wish that when something came out even REMOTELY hard (like Steps of Faith), the playerbase would rise to the challenge for the rare time they were being challenged, and not yell "NERFS PLZ." And btw A12 is way easier than Steps of Faith was originally. This is like Weeping City was the first couple of weeks, where so few people actually knew the fight that there wasn't enough people to carry those players that normally get carried through 24 man raids and Alex normal.

[MeoTwister5]

My first A12 run I cleared it with a full group of newbies, wiping twice, then getting it right. I even came straight from a 24 hour hospital shift.

So... yay?

[Tint]

What happened to making content approachable for casual gamers? one person even asked if it was on savage ( he wasn't even joking).

Don't tell people you plan to make content more accessible then make content that isn't accessible.

it actually is accessible. but this is not an "expert" dungeon where you have to do nothing and still can finish it, this is a raid. and it is the final turn of this raid on top of that. so it is perfectly fine that you have to pay attention and have play your class on an average lvl.