If DRG could have a wyvern and high DPS

[Reliquia]

From the dragoon discussion the vast majority against the idea of wyvern are afraid of class balancing issues. However the focus should be on how do you want to play drg. Because regardless of how the jobs turns out to be in the end, neither us future dragoons, our team mates or the developers want to make a job that will end up as a flop. That's simply not the goal.

So I want to remove the bias from this thread regarding the issues drg ran into in FFXI, and see what the results are without it. So look away from what FFXI did wrong in the implementation of dragoon and it's wyvern, and say that the development team manages to get it right this time.

So here comes the topic of discussion:
If your drg could have a wyvern and still be as successful as lancer is now, deliver top notch DPS and be popular at xp parties and end-game content, would you then accept the idea of dragoon?


Like this post if you would like a dragoon with a wyvern given that it remains a top notch DPS.

[Reliquia]

Like this post if you don't like the idea of a wyvern companion even if you could continue to be as successful with a wyvern than without one.

[Reliquia]

Like this post if you don't care as long as you are a successful DD.

[Wynn]

My question is how would you accomplish this? The problem Yoshi has is that to give a pet to dragoon, he has to weaken the player since both pet and player combine to make the character's efficiency/power/etc. Are you asking for a wyvern that would do nothing but just be there? If so, what would be the point? Are you asking for dragoon to be OP by being strong and having a pet to deal additional damage on top? If so, good luck.

I can't really vote either way because there is not enough of the details here to make an informed opinion.

[Reliquia]

My question is how would you accomplish this? The problem Yoshi has is that to give a pet to dragoon, he has to weaken the player since both pet and player combine to make the character's efficiency/power/etc. Are you asking for a wyvern that would do nothing but just be there? If so, what would be the point? Are you asking for dragoon to be OP by being strong and having a pet to deal additional damage on top? If so, good luck.

I can't really vote either way because there is not enough of the details here to make an informed opinion.

Good question, and this is where the developers need to learn from what they did wrong. What makes sense to me is that your DPS is based on the dmg output from both your "character and your wyvern". But this time around I think that the best way to make most of this combination is to make combine of "skills + abilities" with your wyvern to create a boost in damage. Much like the self combo system Yoshi has been talking about.

This time around I would also like a lot more customization as well as seeing your wyvern grow and become stronger when you climb up in levels and job specific quests.

[DeadRiser]

Like! Like! Like! ME... NO lol


They already said Dragoon is supposedly going to be the high critical hit job. They might get toned down a little in the coming patch (or a lot considering lancer onry parties), but they still have great attacks like that doomspike.

I don't think Wyverns or whatever are necessary for them. I mean considering they only had them in XI (I'm guessing), I don't see their use. We will have a summoner, just be one of those.

[Zahak]

I'm all for the wyvern. But I need to see some concept images and IDEAS for it first.

[DNO]

first off if ANYBODY played ff11 and said DRG was not a high DMG job they should be shot and killed. That job is sick and had to be nerfed early on. Now ff11 all jobs balanced so nicely its sick.

Im am usually for everything yoshia says but this is stupid. You should be able to balance Drg with a wyvern since it was already done before in the last ff MMO.

I vote for wyven.

[Vandark]

first off if ANYBODY played ff11 and said DRG was not a high DMG job they should be shot and killed. That job is sick and had to be nerfed early on. Now ff11 all jobs balanced so nicely its sick.

Im am usually for everything yoshia says but this is stupid. You should be able to balance Drg with a wyvern since it was already done before in the last ff MMO.

I vote for wyven.

I actually Disagree highly with this, Dragoon was not always well balanced infact for the longest period it was an outcast in FFXI no one wanted it around. It only became a strong DPS later on when they updated it for the Treasures of Aht Urhgan expansion and became the best DPS for exp parties at the time.
For a long time Dragoon stayed a really good DPS possibly one of the best but then once more when Abyssea came out it had to be greatly nerved now it is not well balanced and is probably the worst DPS in the game.

Being main Dragoon for a very long time and noticing all it’s changes in FFXI, it was over powered in the beginning for a short time then nerved to the point of it being useless then very slowly grew and then fell massively. None of it’s growth mattered because early on it already lost it’s fame and people already had nothing to do with it. Just about the only real use you got out of it was exp parties fighting birds or using Algon in end game so others could deal more damage... yay -.-b

I still used it all the time but only because it was my frist job to 75 and I really cared about the job, I loved the solo capabilities the wyvern gave, and how much the healing breath really did help groups. Unfortunately the majority didn’t see a point in Dragoon and wanted nothing to do with it, this is my problem with it. The fact that even with the wyvern it could still be good but people simply won’t agree with you at all if you say it is.

I will also add that if your wyvern dies your only half a man LOL. You can call it as many times as you want on a big boss but every time you do it'll die pritty fast and have no use.

[yukikaze_yanagi]

well, if your idea is to have a bandwagon dragoon with a bandwagon pet, you should better forget it.
Drg+wyvern can be balanced sure, but obliusly the main pg would be tunen down from a job designed to be alone.