Why No Melds?

[ElHeggunte]

I can understand not using V's until we can upgrade our gear (I personally don't), but why wouldn't you at least using IV's? The game gives them to you hand-over-fist practically for free, so I dunno what the cost of IV's on the market matters unless you mean to say you'd rather sell them than use them.

[Evangela]

Because we can't unmeld without losing the materias.

[Zojha]

Because I'm gaining more utility from the money I can make selling the materia than I can make slotting it.

Game economy is set up to shift money from battle-jobs to crafters and from there to gatherers. As someone who hates both crafting and gathering and can't sell Creator Savage runs or something, even as little as 50k would be worth more to me than 12 crit on an item. The only materia I'm even willing to slot is the free T4 materia from beast tribes, because those don't even sell high. And even there...I don't really do that content anymore, so I'd have to go out of my way to get them, which I often don't feel like.

[Evangela]

Because I'm gaining more utility from the money I can make selling the materia than I can make slotting it.

Game economy is set up to shift money from battle-jobs to crafters and from there to gatherers. As someone who hates both crafting and gathering and can't sell Creator Savage runs or something, even as little as 50k would be worth more to me than 12 crit on an item. The only materia I'm even willing to slot is the free T4 materia from beast tribes, because those don't even sell high. And even there...I don't really do that content anymore, so I'd have to go out of my way to get them, which I often don't feel like.

Yeah, I hate how the game's economy is designed that way. They need to implement more ways for battle-jobs to take money back from the crafters. All the tradable items from battle content are worth like 1 gil in the market. It's stupid. I throw them away all the time.

[Neophyte]

Because I'm gaining more utility from the money I can make selling the materia than I can make slotting it.

Game economy is set up to shift money from battle-jobs to crafters and from there to gatherers. As someone who hates both crafting and gathering and can't sell Creator Savage runs or something, even as little as 50k would be worth more to me than 12 crit on an item. The only materia I'm even willing to slot is the free T4 materia from beast tribes, because those don't even sell high. And even there...I don't really do that content anymore, so I'd have to go out of my way to get them, which I often don't feel like.

Lol, what?

You have hunt seals and gc seals with battle classes. If you can't desynthesize stuff you can trade allied/centurio seals for gc seals. Idk the price now, but arachne web (2250 seals) should be worth several ten-thousend gil. There should be several things, like Borax, Raziqsab, Dubbing, Scheelit, Emery, etc. etc. etc...., which are worth a lot.

If you're not doing relic and don't craft you have also lore tombs. 10 Lores are worth 10-20k gil minimum.

Let's just say you do one expert run and get one item out of it.

That's 1200 gc seals for the item plus 140 Lores. That's several 100'000 gil....

Or you get the ones from the beast tribes which are selling high (accuracy on my server yesterday @ 70k) and buy the cheaper ones (Skill/Spell Speed were around 20k) if you need them.

You can make 200k+ as a battle class per day (without the slightest effort). What other "utility" do you buy from all that money?

[Zojha]

[...] but arachne web (2250 seals) should be worth several ten-thousend gil.

19k gil as of now to be precise. Last I checked a couple months ago, those were around 2k - suppose the price shot up now that they are needed for star velveteen, so that's nice - shame you also need the seals for squads. Depending on what content you do, you get around 1-3k seals a day due to turning in dungeon drops, provided you greed on anything. So make that 10k a day.

As for the lore (and esoteric before that) - yes, that is, so far, the best way to get gil as battle class, because (refer to the distribution system) it allows DoW/DoM to get money back from crafters, our resident gil sponges. Incidentally, that's also where the money for the arachne web comes from - crafters. But make that closer to 5k for the 10 lore tomes - the new 20 lore mats were down to 9k yesterday, Eikon going for around 5k. You gotta play broker to make the most out of your lores there, but doing expert every day can net you around 75k daily (seals and roulette bonus included). Until you'll need the tomes for the Anima again anyway, then you'll be down to 14k a day. That buys you, uh...a partition, a haircut and some teleports?

At that point, you're better off tapping into the AiN bonus for the roulettes. That's 5k for every roulette, plus whatever you get in there (9k for trial alone).

And now to see what you need when you want to have one of the crafting exclusive glamours, say, some Allagan gloves of striking. We're only buying the mats we can't get ourselves and don't tip our crafter because we're cheapskates.
- One Wootz Ingot for 30k
- 2 Kirimu Leather for 35k
- 1 platinum ingot for 40k
- 3 Battlecraft Demimateria 3 for 40k
Makes 260k. May I mention that they go for 600k+ on the MB? Suddenly the 75k a day seem a lot less impressive - crafters can gain a multiple of that with one rotation. And that is why crafters are gil sponges and why getting decent money as DoW/DoM goes over crafting mats.

[mp-please]

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PotD gives out materia V that sells reasonable well
The new hairstyle sells for a lot as well
Most outfits from potd hoards sell for 100k ish or more
Buying a dragonskin map usually lands some profit mainly if you get a wool top that sells for 5m+
Lore items are currently a great way of money making as every crafter needs them in bulk

You're only poor if you really want.

[Zojha]

Most outfits from potd hoards sell for 100k ish or more

The most expensive, the moonfire halter, goes for 89k. The rest is between 500 and 15k gil. Only the hairstyle still sells quite well.

As for the V materia - weren't we talking about how socketing materia instead of selling it is a waste? That was my original point.

[Neophyte]

19k gil as of now to be precise. Last I checked a couple months ago, those were around 2k - suppose the price shot up now that they are needed for star velveteen, so that's nice - shame you also need the seals for squads. Depending on what content you do, you get around 1-3k seals a day due to turning in dungeon drops, provided you greed on anything. So make that 10k a day.

As for the lore (and esoteric before that) - yes, that is, so far, the best way to get gil asbattle class, because (refer to the distribution system) it allows DoW/DoM to get money back from crafters, our resident gil sponges. But make that closer to 5k for the 10 lore tomes - the new 20 lore mats were down to 9k yesterday, Eikon going for around 5k. You gotta play broker to make the most out of your lores there, but doing expert every day can net you around 75k daily (seals and roulette bonus included). Until you'll need the tomes for the Anima again anyway, then you'll be down to 14k a day. That buys you, uh...a partition, a haircut and some teleports?

Ok, that seems to be server dependant. And well, maybe my comment should be treated as an advice for the future then.
In the first week all prices for those mats were times 10. I still feed on my money I made in the first week and I'm still in the plus-side, although I bought (well, bought the mats for) at least 5 crafted gear pieces + pentamelds.

It's just 1. imo you don't need money at all (if not focussing on housing and/or glamours) and 2. it's soooo easy to make money. And with some pre-planning in mind you can also buy some V's every last month of a patch for really cheap prices, because just like the prices of those mats now drop over time those materia prices will too.
Everyone who sold their precious crit IV materia in 3.35 for 20k gil each... well tough luck, I held back 50+ of those, sold one half and melded the second in 3.4 and likely made more money than someone who sold them right away.

It's just.. if I hadn't meld my gear the only difference would be 150+ less crit, but 3-5 more millions on my bank. Wow. I don't need.
In the same time I bought 7 V's for my crafter for 9 million gil, which I didn't make back by crafting yet, and supposly never will because I'm too lazy to craft beyond self-demand, lol.


Also you can get 75*7 + 100 centurio seals a week without "real" hunting, which is 3-4k Grand Company seals per day alone. One new A-Rank is 1800 seals?! One weekly old B-Rank is 2800 seals. And so on.. Lel, 1-3k seals a day. xD

[hobostew]

Just use IVs people! They're super cheap and can even get em for free from the ARR beast tribes. All that nonsense about "wasting gil" is just laziness and being bad.