What's your daily routine playing gathering and crafting?

[ChameleonMS]

What I can't understand is how people can afford to buy tons of V materia and new armor when having no crafting jobs leveled up...

RMT and selling clears.

[Neela]

RMT and selling clears.

easiest answer right?... i play since more than 2 years and haven't any gatherer/crafter myself - but money flows anyway mostly of my 8 retainers and oh... you avoid primals huh? your bad... aside from my retainers i got the 2nd most amount out of them – and ironically guess which money it is? yeah right it's yours, the crafter ones.

but yeah everybody without crafter jobs is messing with the darkside – come on guys there is more than just black & white ^^

[ChameleonMS]

easiest answer right?

Yes it is the easy answer because it is frequently true. I personally know many DoW/DoM only players that do these things for large infusions to their revenue generation.

... i play since more than 2 years and haven't any gatherer/crafter myself - but money flows anyway mostly of my 8 retainers

DoW Gil Guide
That guide does not even cover Aquopolis, which is a fantastic source of potential revenue and materia, and several other sources of newer revenue.

and oh... you avoid primals huh? your bad...

A personal attack, [em]sigh[/em]. I do not do them because I am a casual player with RL commitments preventing me from ever being more hardcore. Try getting in to a learning party 3 weeks after content released. Why 3 weeks, well it takes me almost that long usually just to complete all the new content; normal difficulty for each patch. Those learning party collapse like there is no tomorrow, this leads to poor game play enjoyment. I cannot join a static due to the aforementioned RL commitments.

but yeah everybody without crafter jobs is messing with the darkside – come on guys there is more than just black & white ^^

No not everyone but if you do not have crafter/gatherers and you are rich and you do not dabble in the darkside. Then you are in a pretty exclusive group of players.

As a crafter, I can, when I commit to it, I can earn a couple million in a few hours. Only a very lucky/dedicated DoW could do the same.

[FinaSel]

but money flows anyway mostly of my 8 retainers

8 retainers?

I know that this is a luxury for some people, but others prefer not to spend real money in order to make money in the game.

[Neela]

well there are some reasons for this... first of all like i said before i don't have time for crafting or time bounded gathering spots, second im fc leader so 2-3 retainer are just for fc stuff (furniture, airship/company project stuff) and rewards/gifts for my members. although i have a good paying job RMT isn't an option for me so... taking the optional retainer is my way to go for increasing my ingame-income ^^

[Roth_Trailfinder]

8 retainers?

I know that this is a luxury for some people, but others prefer not to spend real money in order to make money in the game.

This is why I consider the rental retainers "Pay to Win".

[Neela]

This is why I consider the rental retainers "Pay to Win".

And here we go i just waited for someone like you ^^

[ChameleonMS]

And here we go i just waited for someone like you ^^

I see a bridge dweller.

[Silverbane]

This is why I consider the rental retainers "Pay to Win".

To win what? A big pile of make-believe money? Heck, you can print out a billion-gil bank note on your printer, or draw one with a crayon. Doesn't seem like much of a win.

The only "win" in FFXIV is enjoying yourself while playing it.

[Mhiro]

RMT and selling clears.

That's a hefty generalization that puts a bad light on people who choose not to focus on crafting/gathering...

If you're curious about how it's legitimately done here's a few examples:
- Selling clears: yes this is legitimate and the higher end players usually do this to fund their FC/LS as a group. It's cooperative funding. Not a one-person thing. Usually the money made is either put into FC purchases or split among the members of the run.
- Farming Lores: The HQ items bought by lore tomes add up to a good amount and for those who are saving money to make a big purchase it's enough to help fund a personal house.
- Wondrous Tails: One some servers the x3 line gear rewards are around 10-30M. You also gain T5 materia from doing these which people who don't need it will sell.
- Materia Farming: A little outdated, but force spiritbonding your gear for T4+ materia is another money maker.
- Beast Tribe Quests: final tier of 2.0 tribe quests all reward T4 materia most of which goes for 20k a pop. Might not seem like much to you, but it adds up. A week of doing all these quests (especially the Ixal quests) will get you upwards of a mil in side-change depending on your server. 3.0 Quests will reward tokens that can be traded for items that can be sold. Especially the Moogle quests (them fibers).
- 2.0 Raids: Coil drops items required to craft certain glamour pieces which ya'll make. The primary mats cost a good amount. I know people who farm these heavily for money.
- Palace of the Dead: Gelmorra Shard = T5 DoW/M Materia. Secret chest thing also rewards nice stuff to sell.
- 2.0 lv50 Dungeons: Materials that are chump change to you people add up to a good amount of revenue for us.
- Retainers: Fully leveled retainers being sent out daily to gather materials and items is basically one of the best methods for people who don't have proper time to dedicate to the game as it can run while you sleep or are at work. Having extra retainer slots through cash shop also doesn't make you a P2W'er. You still have to level the damn thing and gear it and people without DoL/H have no need for the extra space provided besides leveling the retainer itself. It's P2W if it's instant gratification through money that severely affects the flow of the game. Not if you have to work it just as hard as people do with non-rented retainers.

And there's plenty more. SE made sure to make money making easy as ever without having to be DoL/DoH. My friend with none of that leveled spent the passed week getting free T5 Materias and funding crafted 250 gear for his PLD through the methods above including a very lucky 3-line win on wondrous tails. Not saying that RMT mongers don't exist because they unfortunately do), but your statement makes it sound like not being a crafter/gatherer and having a ton of money is some sort of impossible RMT/Clear-selling sin. Which isn't true. Because making money in this game is so easy that most people have hundreds of millions of gil just to look at the numbers.