Would WHM be too strong with some support utility?

[Llynd]

Ok so you're talking of everybody but not scholars?

I don't why you feel so much hate about scholars but the subject here was about Whm's skills. Why are you talking about Scholars in the first place ?

[Kabzy]

I'm pretty sure he was just suggesting a utility move for WHM where they can provide the party with a boost to their main stats. Read it again xD

[Llynd]

I'm pretty sure he was just suggesting a utility move for WHM where they can provide the party with a boost to their main stats. Read it again xD

Indeed, thanks a lot x)

[mp-please]

I don't why you feel so much hate about scholars but the subject here was about Whm's skills. Why are you talking about Scholars in the first place ?

I'm not hating on anyone, I'm saying buffing everyone for 5% is a bad idea since scholar is overpowered. If with your everyone you're including other roles too then it's another bad idea to also buff warriors as well. Not to mention absolutely nothing changes if you buff everyone.

[Rawrz]

I'm not hating on anyone, I'm saying buffing everyone for 5% is a bad idea since scholar is overpowered. If with your everyone you're including other roles too then it's another bad idea to also buff warriors as well. Not to mention absolutely nothing changes if you buff everyone.

Except WHM utility. O.O But yeah. I don't want WHM cornered into a buffing support role.

[Watachy]

People still complaining about the AST.

Did you just tied to play AST during 3.0 ? Couldn't even do some Bismarck/Ravannah in DF because "AST is too bad gtfo"

Now the AST finally arrived to the position he should have been at his first launch: a substitute to WHM or SCH

[Rawrz]

People still complaining about the AST.

Did you just tied to play AST during 3.0 ? Couldn't even do some Bismarck/Ravannah in DF because "AST is too bad gtfo"

Now the AST finally arrived to the position he should have been at his first launch: a substitute to WHM or SCH

They are complaining, because AST reached that state with WHM in 3.3 and has a glaring edge in 3.4. AST will never be an equal replacement to SCH. Doing so would create a class that CAN do it all, which is inherently unequal.

[Watachy]

AST will never be an equal replacement to SCH.

Yet playing Nocturnal before 3.4 was a real pain, and you couldn't even imagine to play it in raids since people where just thinking as you do: "Meh Nocturnal AST is bullshit lol votekick this idiot". LEL
Now the pair WHM/AST is something you can see (already playing this pair since 3.2 but finally feel my shields are usefull to prevents raid wise AOE).

Doing so would create a class that CAN do it all, which is inherently unequal.

That always been SE point, AST has been designed to replace one of those 2 healers, that's why they gave him 2 stances. (Not saying that's a good thing, i would love to see another healer gameplay changing from: burst heal or shield to prevent damage).
But you can finally replace a SCH as an AST having a better shield if the adlo doesn't crits and you could replace a WHM since 3.3.

[Kabzy]

Watachy, you've basically just echoed his point. WHM was replaceable back in 3.3, so if AST got buffed even further, where does that put WHM now?

Also n.AST/WHM has been made viable but I don't think you'll see any SCHs worrying about being replaced.

[mp-please]

Yet playing Nocturnal before 3.4 was a real pain, and you couldn't even imagine to play it in raids since people where just thinking as you do: "Meh Nocturnal AST is bullshit lol votekick this idiot". LEL
Now the pair WHM/AST is something you can see (already playing this pair since 3.2 but finally feel my shields are usefull to prevents raid wise AOE).

Nobody is talking of ASTs really, people just need to stop with the whole "hurr you stay on the bench now durr" and think all classes need to have a spot on raiding.
Just like they kept balancing monk/nin and brd/mch to have their roles on party all healers should've been balanced together with AST, mainly whm since its the class AST clashes the most. Monk is the perfect comparison to WHM, monk lacks party utility (other than dragonkick, made useless by drk, and one lol punch) and to make it desirable on raiding it has a slight advantage over nin on max dps numbers. WHM does have that advantage over all 3 healers on healing and dps but the issue is that nobody cares about about more healing as long people are healed and WHM does not have the MP capacity to dps and co-heal for 10-12 mins straight without any outside help (ballad/ewers).

This is mainly a issue because WHM+AST composition has the WHM on the off healer spot and without the AST feeding it ewers constantly and bard/mch playing ballad during every single jump, there is absolutely no way WHM will reach the dps numbers that SCHs can. It doesn't help either that freecure/overcure become more and more useless the more you dps locking you out from a very important source of mp management.