Craftsmanship Breakpoints for 4★Crafting

[Sayboar]

Up to date values found below, could be useful to some people, I know I would've loved this information when I was melding!

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...UJE/edit#gid=0

P.s. There might be lower craftsmanship ratings for certain breakpoints, I'll bold anything that I know is a guaranteed breakpoint!

[Katlyna]

Thanks Saber Kitty this is great information!

[ChameleonMS]

There is additional data in this post.

[MariaNyan]

Here some additional Info, i tested them ingame.

1014 Craftsmanship results in CsII=142 Progress.
1014 Craftsmanship results in CsII with IngenI=175 Progress.
1014 Craftsmanship results in CsII with IngenII=196 Progress.
1014 Craftsmanship results in Standard Synthesis=177 Progress.
1014 Craftsmanship results in Standard Synthesis with IngenII=245 Progress.

(under baked onion soup)
1042 Craftsmanship results in CsII=146 Progress.
1042 Craftsmanship results in CsII with IngenI=180 Progress.
1042 Craftsmanship results in CsII with IngenII=202 Progress.

1055 Craftsmanship results in CsII=148 Progress.
Notice this is a breakpoint for Mume+PbP.
MuMe+PbP=1084 Progress | 1968-1084=884 missing Progress. | 884/148=6 CsII

Great Thread!

Cheers,
Maria

[PROBOUND]

Great work, May i request that you continue the threshold theorycrafting with Heavens Egg Soup. I know that most of us would never give up our CP but it would be nice to see the potential possibilities. I was told that around 1200-1230 Craftmanship a 4step progress rotation is possible.

Don't Stop! For Science!!

[Sayboar]

Great work, May i request that you continue the threshold theorycrafting with Heavens Egg Soup. I know that most of us would never give up our CP but it would be nice to see the potential possibilities. I was told that around 1200-1230 Craftmanship a 4step progress rotation is possible.

Don't Stop! For Science!!

Heya, The highest data value I tested was with Emerald Soup on my highest melded character, I can't go any higher, sorry! ^^"

[OoglieBooglie]

If i remember right, it's actually 1021 or 1022 craftsmanship for 198 progress with careful synthesis 2 and ingenuity 2

[Sayboar]

Found: Breakpoint for 198 CSII under IngII is 1022 craftsmanship, which is the needed amount of progress to complete a 4★ in 3 synths after MuMe + 2x PbP

[Silverbane]

I took this data and applied it to the Rath's MaMa rotation, looking to determine when an increase in crafstmanship might allow one more failed Flawless Synthesis (FS) before requiring conversion of a Hasty Touch to a fourth CSII.

The answer is 148 progress, corresponding to something over 1050 Craftsmanship,
and 162 progress, which may not even be reachable.

At 139 progress/CS2, you can fail four FS and complete with 3 CSII. Failing 5 to 7 FS requires converting one Hasty.
At 148 progress/CS2, you can fail five FS and complete with 3 CSII. Failing 6 to 8 FS requires converting one Hasty.
At 162 progress/CS2, you can fail six FS and complete with 3 CSII. Failing 7 to 10 FS requires converting one Hasty.

Note that Rath's MaMa for 4* has 16 FS, of which 3 cannot fail. Assuming no conversions of FS to ToT, the odds of having four or less of the 13 "at risk" FS fail is 99.3%. If you convert one FS to a ToT, the odds of having three or less FS of the 12 remaining "at risk FS" fail is 97.5%. If you convert two FS to ToTs, the odds of having two or less FS of the 11 remaining "at risk FS" fail is 91%.

So it looks like Craftsmanship above the minimum does very little to improve your odds when using Rath's MaMa rotation. Other rotation might see different results, but Rath's MaMa only gets 12.3% of it's progress on a 4* craft from Craftsmanship-dependent actions.

[Myon88]

I've found my sweet spot to be at roughly 1050 craftsmanship as well (I have 1051).

I'm using a variant of raths that ends with two Ing2 buffed CS2s, which hit for 204 each at that craftsmanship level. That allows me to fail 3 FS before I have to convert a hasty to an additional CSII. 1564 + 204 + 204 = 1972

The next breakpoint to be able to fail four flawless synths is, likewise, unrealistic to achieve so I'm quite happy at 1050.