Alexander 12N Tuning

[Aquaslash]

I'm surprised people are complaining about a12 when a11 is WAY more annoying.

One shot a12 tonight, 4 times. A11 took 3 wipes. Each time it got down to the tank and I (people have a hard time with Shiva circles + beams.) No one even died to prey. Tank getting confused from propeller and chasing me across the map, stacking his optical sight inn me, right before the LB3 bar fills. He got me 2/3 times. Once was the off tank buster. Finally we just ended up burning so hard that we skipped Shiva circles. Lol

Also these things. A11 does seem to be the annoying one. The fact that you can phase push rather easily if you're competent makes the fight somewhat unpredictable. I had one group just sort of fall apart at around 20% because a buttload of mechanics involving dodging and preys and a floor wide AoE just sort of happened at once.

I am by no means saying nerf. I think it's exciting tbh

[aesteval]

We need to accept that contents will become more complex and that if we don't have the requirements (iLVL, skill, time etc) we should wait or train harder.

This this THIS.

[Moomba33]

Went through Alex normal for the first time with 3 FC friends last night.
One friend had done some research beforehand and explained some mechanics and we met a few helpful players that called out key mechanics in the chat box as well.

We two shot A9 and one shot everything else albeit with some deaths and general messiness. I'd say the tuning was fine. Even with making mistakes we were able to recover and carry on to victory in most cases with 2 new healers (myself and a FC friend) in A9-A11. (for A12 we had another FC friend who had cleared before in one of the healer spots).

A11 was the messiest. 1 of the DPS accidentally released after being KO'd by the active time event but we still pulled through the second half in spite of only having 7 players and several more deaths.

[Averax]

It's perfectly fine if nobody dies and there's enough DPS and everyone does mechanics without fail. However, asking that of pugs can get frustrating.

Seriously, as soon as someone dies, it all just snowballs from there. I have to stop to get off raises and apparently the other healer cannot react quickly enough to the copious amounts of aoe damage going out as soon as i start casting it. I have seriously just watched as my cohealer just stands there after megaholy goes out while i was getting raises off. Then by the time the tank buster goes out, the tank is way too low and dies, and it just keeps rolling downhill from there.

Since people aren't out gearing it yet, it requires a certain level of competence that some pugs don't have.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

It's perfectly fine if nobody dies and there's enough DPS and everyone does mechanics without fail. However, asking that of pugs can get frustrating.

Seriously, as soon as someone dies, it all just snowballs from there. I have to stop to get off raises and apparently the other healer cannot react quickly enough to the copious amounts of aoe damage going out as soon as i start casting it. I have seriously just watched as my cohealer just stands there after megaholy goes out while i was getting raises off. Then by the time the tank buster goes out, the tank is way too low and dies, and it just keeps rolling downhill from there.

Since people aren't out gearing it yet, it requires a certain level of competence that some pugs don't have.

Problem is, PuGs will never have it if content is continuously nerfed into the ground. A good reason people don't know a decent rotation is you don't need one for half the content. I could probably Impulse Drive exclusively through Xelphatol and clear it just fine. While some players simply won't care no matter the obstacle, others need some incentive to preform. Even I have my moments where I'm bored, tired or just don't care enough to play outside of "good enough." Weeping City stands as a prime example when you outright tell the community "no, this is not getting nerfed. Deal with it." They eventually will, provided there's an incentive. Obviously, you can only take this approach so far, or you end up with Gordias Savage. But the devs are a little too keen on making things absurdly easy.

[CrystalRainbow]

Got my a12n 1st clear yesterday. took 3 groups.

3rd group. one of the DPS died and went afk before adds and never came back. My wife was a warrior off tanking and went in and DPS check. We won between 3-1 seconds auto wipe enrage timer.

So a Random group of 7 can clear this... There is no need to change anything.

[Miscreant]

This thread...



Gear will carry you in a couple of weeks, be patient...

[MikaIto]

The fight isn't hard duty finder and impatience is hard.

[Fynlar]

Weeping City stands as a prime example when you outright tell the community "no, this is not getting nerfed. Deal with it." They eventually will, provided there's an incentive.

I still see wiping city get vote abandons to this day. Granted, it isn't as likely anymore as it was during the first couple weeks, for sure.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

I still see wiping city get vote abandons to this day. Granted, it isn't as likely anymore as it was during the first couple weeks, for sure.

Oh, I had one of the worst runs I've ever had on 3.4 launch day. Frustrating as those runs can be, I'm okay with it because I love Weeping City otherwise. None of it is difficult per se, but it keeps me entertained from start to finish. I actually wish Alexander took a similar approach where each boss is one massive instance instead of being split into four but I digress. You'll always get bad runs because some people refuse to learn or adapt no matter what you do. I'd rather take those occasional vote abandons and have dungeons I'm happy with over ones I sleep through. They don't even need to be at Weeping City's level. To this day, some of my favorites are Stone Vigil and a handful of the current 50 dungeons. The ones that irk me are Antitower (forced gates) or Hullbreaker Hard (love the third act; hate the first).

I just want content I can't utterly faceroll that isn't just savage and extreme primals.