What new class and or battle mechanics do you wish 4.0 will bring?

**Shurrikhan** · 10-14-2016 11:26 AM

Originally Posted by Duelle

Taking what you said in mind, the only idea that comes to mind would be a barrier based on the RDM's HP (single-target divine veil without the cure spell trigger), or something with reverse scaling so it's not very strong on targets with high defense (tanks) but strong on targets with lower defense values (though I have no idea how to make that work at all).

The easiest would be just to take a page from Essential Dignity or any classic Minus Strike -- make it a very snappy instant (flat damage) barrier that increases effectiveness with target missing %HP. A tank may then be more safely able to maximize it, albeit it at uptime cost, whereas a non-tank would be quicker to maximize it, and it's effect would seem more significant. If you want it to be more preparative, there's a bit more coding required, but is otherwise simple -- have it apply a barrier that reduces damage by a percentage equal to the %HP the attack otherwise would have consumed, absorbing up to (half?) your maximum HP. (Your 1.0 Aegis Boon, when it would not only block, but absorb / heal for the damage that would have been taken... as support.) And if you want to be the kind of utility that costs the rest of the kit next to nothing, make it a health transfer instead, or even a health equalization like Spirit Bond Totem (which would still kind of make sense for a Phalanx).

Also, I'd like to hear more about this Judge fight of yours. /twiddling imaginary goatee

**SenorPatty** · 10-14-2016 12:29 PM

I'd like SCH to have all the dots skills but SMN cast Primal style spells or enter Primal Trance. SMN retains primals obtained from msq but would also have access to extra primals either through defeating one in a normal instance or special quests. Each Primal spell would have a 60 second cooldown so SMN should also retain normal dmg spells like the Ruin series. All Primal spells inflict same base damage but each would have an additional effect for 12 seconds

Titan: immobilize target in earth gaol. Target is unable to activate skills

Garuda: Winds grant two random party members haste

Ifrit: Summons an infernal nail with its own very small hp and the player can detonate it. The longer it stays alive, the more damage the detonation inflicts and the wider the range of dmg

Those are just examples.

**Duelle** · 10-14-2016 01:39 PM

Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

Also, I'd like to hear more about this Judge fight of yours. /twiddling imaginary goatee

Still ironing the details, but basically:

Fight: Platoon

Concept

8 on 8 raid fight with a 9th NPC acting as a judge that implements "rules" during the fight, forcing the raid to follow said rules or receive a debuff. Mechanics are closer to PvP (stuns and CC have decreased durations, abilities with modified damage output in PvP come into play) but not going full ham (no PvP-specific abilities so that we don't force people to level PvP rank in order to be able to clear this fight).

The 8 enemies are randomly picked from a pool of all available classes upon release, but always being structured like a full party; 2 tank jobs, 2 healer jobs and 4 DPS. They also have all the abilities player characters have access to.

The judge

On top of the 8 enemies you'll fight, you have a 9th NPC that stands outside of reach that implements rules during the fight. Some of them alter gameplay a bit, others react to things that have been happening, while others are "imminent sentences" that turn into a penalty debuff unless you perform a certain action. Here's some examples:

Gameplay-altering
Elemental Restriction: Fire - Use of fire-based skils/spells (Enfire, Fire I-III, Fists of Fire AKA Vajra Stance, Wildfire) incurs a penalty on the character using it.
Offensive Restriction: DoTs - Use of DoT spells/skills (Goring Blade, Bio, Aero) incurs a penalty.
Offensive Restriction: Ranged - Attacking a ranged class (BRD, MCH, BLM, SMN, BLU) incurs a penalty.

Reactive Judgments
Judgment: Defensive Cooldowns - Classes with defensive cooldowns active when the Judgment is used get a penalty.
Judgment: Low HP - Characters with low HP when the Judgment is implemented get a penalty.

Imminent Sentences
Rumination: Focus Target - You must switch targets and attack them within the allotted time to avoid receiving a penalty. The attack must be delivered from within 10 yalms (this means casters and ranged DPS need to get closer to their target for the attack to count).
Rumination: AoE 2 - You must use an area of effect skill/spell that affects at least 2 targets within the allotted time to avoid a penalty. This applies to all skills, both offensive and curative (meaning Flash and Cure III/Medica count).

The Penalty

The penalty debuff can apply to both your group and the 8 NPCs you're fighting. Depending on what aspect of the fight should be emphasized, you could make the encounter hinge on tricking the NPCs into receiving penalties to make it easier to kill them. Likewise, you could set the AI of the NPCs to try to focus target a person with penalties (which could then be followed by the Judge using the Focus Target judgment to force them to lay off for a while)

The Penalty debuff stacks, but I'm not sure what it should actually do to players. One idea I had was to make the penalty stun the affected player for 6 seconds and making it more likely that the NPCs will focus that player during the stun. Another was that the penalty would increase damage taken for the duration. Another would be that the penalty deals DoT damage to the affected player for the duration of the fight.

Triggering Savage Mode

If you accumulate 5 stacks of Penalty on any one raid member, the Judge heals and raises all 8 NPCs back to full and joins the fight turning the fight from Normal Mode into Savage Mode. The judge would bring out their Judge Sword and still apply penalties while also whacking away at the main tank.

Additional ideas and notes
- The "normal" version of this fight should include a mechanic to remove penalties. Still haven't thought of how to do this...
- The fight concept is based on my hope to see us get 3 difficulty tiers for raids in the future. Story Mode being what we've seen with Alexander on Duty Finder, a Normal Mode that is harder and tuned towards mid-core raiders, and a Savage Mode that is triggered if you perform certain actions during the Normal Mode version of the fight.
- Yes, this would be the FFXIV version of the Faction Champions fight.

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