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    Sayboar's Avatar
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    Saber Kitteh
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    Quote Originally Posted by enthrop View Post
    So... if I'm trying to meld my gear right now, and debating on some items what to prioritize (i.e. more craftsmanship vs control on things like chest, MH, OH..), my old school mentality use to think control > craft, but no one talks about control at all. So is it craft > control? At least if I'm not sure what breakpoints are.

    Just trying ot figure out what I should meld in the non-maxable items without breaking my bank (just getting back into crafting, so I can't afford to pentameld all Vs).
    Get barely enough Craftsmanship to hit the breakpoint of your choosing, then max out control - this usually means max melding left & right side things that are easily capped without grade V overmelds, and sacrificing a few points of control if you don't wanna overmeld Vs, then flex-melding your tools to suit your needs if needed
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    Katrisa Ashe
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    Ultros
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    Leatherworker Lv 80
    Yes Ingenuity I and II never quiet work in the simulator correctly (the exact calculation SE uses for these is still a mystery). So it has to be checked by hand to see what the progress looks like. The simulator editors will usually try to patch this at some point, but its one of those things that is a headache.
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    Areku Foxfire
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    Hyperion
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    Scholar Lv 90
    On another note...I have an alt character that I do leatherworker specialization on and she just has ingenuity 1, and I really don't notice much difference from my main with ingenuity 2. I mean, it's obviously less, but not so much so that I have to use rapid synth an extra time. Ingenuity 2 really is pretty meh it seems. These skills are quite strange.
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    Tenks Td
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    Gilgamesh
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    I'm about to meld my remaining couple of pieces of gear before starting 4* crafts, and I just wanted confirmation that the OP rotation works with exactly 1023 craftsmanship, whenever I sim it I'm short 3 progress, so I'd preferably like confirmation from someone who has succeeded in game with exactly 1023 before I round out my gear and lock in my stats. Thanks in advance!
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    Katrisa Ashe
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    Leatherworker Lv 80
    Hi Tenks, For the MuMe PbP macro 1022 craftsmanship is required otherwise the synth will fail. For the MaMa PbP macro 995 craftsmanship is technically enough. If you have 995 craftsmanship you'll need 13 out of 16 Flawless Synthesis. With 1023 craftsmanship you'll need 12 out of 16 Flawless Synthesis.

    Because of these requirements I advise folks to get at least 995 craftsmanship and use Onion soup. You can use other foods, just be aware of how that changes the availability of which approach you can do and if you'll want more craftsmanship melds to hit a given requirement.
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    Roth Trailfinder
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    Midgardsormr
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    The more HQ materials you use, the better your odds will be. That said - until you're comfortable making things by hand, DON'T MACRO THEM!

    I personally do not have much more than the minimum Craftsmanship and Control, but I am maxed out on base CP (430) and I use HQ Seafood Stew for the CP. With luck on the Hasty Touches I have gotten 100% on 4 star materials from entirely NQ raw materials. More often though, I wind up between 80% and 91%. Most of those come out HQ, and I simply pick between the HQ and NQ materials for the final products to get me a decent starting Quality. As long as you have the CP, and the cross class moves, you should be doing well enough too.
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    Katrisa Ashe
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    As Roth/Hammer said The more HQ the better your odds will be. For around 5,500 starting quality your odds are probably 97-99% with the macro. But as Roth has said its best to be comfortable making something by hand so you really understand what is going on and how things work.
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    Moriel Odindottir
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    Leviathan
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    Here's a Macro I put together. It works on my Goldsmith with 995 Crafting and 957 Control (without food) with 430 base CP (You will need to use Seafood Stew). Also it assumes you start with at least 3000 Quality. I believe you can miss up to 6 Flawless and still have it work. The last Careful Synthesis II isn't really needed, but I threw it in there in case disaster strikes with Flawless Synthesis.

    Maker's Mark
    Comfort Zone
    Steady Hand
    Piece by Piece
    Piece by Piece
    Piece by Piece
    Flawless Synthesis x6
    Comfort Zone
    Flawless Synthesis x8
    Inner Quiet
    Comfort Zone
    Steady Hand II
    Waste Not II
    Hasty Touch x4
    Steady Hand II
    Hasty Touch x3
    Master's Mend II
    Hasty Touch
    Steady Hand II
    Hasty Touch
    Hasty Touch
    Basic Touch
    Great Strides
    Byregot's Blessing
    Careful Synthesis II
    Careful Synthesis II
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    Caimie Tsukino
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    Zalera
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    Goldsmith Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by uberrod9 View Post
    Here's a Macro I put together. It works on my Goldsmith with 995 Crafting and 957 Control (without food) with 430 base CP (You will need to use Seafood Stew). Also it assumes you start with at least 3000 Quality. I believe you can miss up to 6 Flawless and still have it work. The last Careful Synthesis II isn't really needed, but I threw it in there in case disaster strikes with Flawless Synthesis.
    In your macro, there are only 9 steps between the 2nd and 3rd Comfort Zone. Thus, 8 CP is wasted. Your macro requires 478 CP, which is quite a lot. I understand you have 430 base CP, which means you have 480 CP after eating Seafood Stew. But personally, I am still using a few pieces of my old i170 accessories, so I don't have 480 CP... I have only 475 CP. I took your macro and did a little re-arrangement, and I found I could do exactly the same rotation with 470 CP just by moving a CS II up as a "filler step". The remaining steps are also slightly re-arranged, but are the same in general.
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    Last edited by Caimie_Tsukino; 04-23-2017 at 12:45 AM.

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    Moriel Odindottir
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    Leviathan
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    Interesting. However, in most cases, the filler Careful Synthesis II would actually finish the recipe too early. Now if I had 4-6 Flawless failures, it would work, that is not too common.
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