What is it with Sensitive People and Raids?

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

I always go in as a tank for new duties. For the first two or three weeks, when I get newbs, I let out a simple, "Questions/Comments/Concerns? Let me know if you need tips," and ready check at bosses for the beginners. Trial by Fire is best, since that really is the best teacher.

[Harz]

Xephatol first time for me Tuesday night. I enter and say it's my first time. Only thing one guy said was, "Not our first time." Tank and others speed off and hit all the trash groups up to the boss which was fine, typical useless trash mobs. Arrive at boss, they attack immediately and I just "wing it", trying to watch/hit/avoid what they do, learn mechanics along the way and not die myself.

The same thing happened through the whole instance. Not 1 word of pre-boss info to me. At the end I said ty and reminded them to maybe say few words at bosses for a while as it's new to help new people aclimate. I received a 3-word response from one guy, "That was obvious."

To be fair the only information new people need in Xelphatol is "kill the war balloons."

[LunnaRavenheart]

For raid its because people want and expect to play with players with similiar experience and skill.

For dungeons and I dont really understand whats problem to go any dungeon on blind. Since lvl 15 they are all generic always repeating dungeons with just new graphic.

"Hello, first time here" seems to be excuse for low overall performance. Because from my experience people who tend to said that are playing like they play first time not only dungeon but their job also.

I dont really understand what is really need to be explained. Avoid aoes? Kill boss? Kill adds? Repeat.

[DoUrden]

The issue is that different people at different knowledge levels, skill levels and experience levels.
For one person that wants to savor and learn and go slower versus someone who wants to smash content and gear as quickly as possible.
That is IMO an issue with most MMOs.
The only solution I know if is to start finding and grouping with other people of similar ilk, but that is not easy, but prob worth it in the long run. I've been in groups with the nicest people who were mediocure playsers and the worst people who were strong players, and other combos.
I've just started this process myself of looking for more at my pref level including joining a different free company.

[Besame]

I see a few silent facerollers responding here...thanks for the chuckles...Bes outie

[MilesSaintboroguh]

Giving up already by resorting to schoolyard tactics?

[Taika]

Giving up already by resorting to schoolyard tactics?

I think it's hilarious: they come in this thread complaining about how people in the game are so unhelpful (i.e. rude), and then when people here take part in the discussion without any harshness, their first and pretty much only reaction is insulting those who are doing that. I wonder why they're having so much trouble finding nice people in this game...

[Aillith]

Common denominator seems to be themselves. Perhaps they should check their own attitude first.

Whole issue could have been avoided if they communicated to the group their needs to yhe party. This would be the adult thing to do. Instead of assuming that 3 other strangers would assume their needs for them.

[albertopin]

4 ppl party Dungeons are plain, there is only one path to the boss, they arent even exploratory.
The boss fights are the only thing that changes and represents challenge.
I dont mind to learn by trial and error.

Tips are welcome but not mandatory.
What i consider wrong its being really silent all the way. Some people dont say hello or good bye.

Cmon its common courtesy

[Leigaon]

...Only thing one guy said was, "Not our first time." Tank and others speed off and hit all the trash groups up to the boss which was fine, typical useless trash mobs. Arrive at boss, they attack immediately and I just "wing it", trying to watch/hit/avoid what they do, learn mechanics along the way and not die myself.

The same thing happened through the whole instance. Not 1 word of pre-boss info to me. At the end I said ty and reminded them to maybe say few words at bosses for a while as it's new to help new people aclimate. I received a 3-word response from one guy, "That was obvious."

That's the problem right there, is how it started off with the one person saying something as simple as "Not Our first time", and then saying nothing. There is no clear and cut answer to the entire situation. Of course I still stand by what I say with those who act like this in instances. Just the way it can be handled varies. Some enjoy going in blind, some enjoy a few tips that might have been major problems for previous runs and others enjoy having it explained to them for their own reasons.

I guess looking at it from both the new and ones who have already done it, maybe one expects the other to say something. This isn't a bad way of thinking, since both ways happen all the time. I've had some where the new person states they're new, or someone who isn't stops at the boss and decides to explain. The moment we assume, it weighs in favor of being in for a bad time. Them saying it was obvious, maybe it was for them. For me doing that one there are things I wasn't aware of until I finished doing it about three times because someone just handles it. On the opposite end, I needed to be the one to ask the question if no one says anything. Which I ended up doing, and now I know something others think is obvious.

To be fair the only information new people need in Xelphatol is "kill the war balloons."

Though that is a common suggestion in the runs I've done, it's not the only one. Then again, that's me because I know I needed help on explanations for certain things. Then again, my ability to comprehend isn't quick enough for some. That's a bottleneck the we as a group need to work around on.

Many people are not good at taking criticism or handling failure...

This is true, also most people are not good at giving criticism or helping others handle those failures. We need to accept that we are going to mess up, and if our preference is to go in blind (which is perfectly fine) then there needs to be a compromise. The new person needs to show some way of being able to advance and adjust further after a wipe or a mess up. Whether it is on their own or someone explaining at the start or mid-fight. At the same time those who know the fights need to understand that these people can wipe and it's a progression thing.

I'll admit, I've caught myself saying to myself "why can't they do this? it's so easy?" just to have my own Jiminy Cricket pop up on my shoulder (using the voice of Harvey Fierstein because the mans voice calms me down) and explains to me why they can't, and why I couldn't at one point.