A12 savage World first 3 days after patch

[Lunafreya]

People definitely have the right to be sad or disappointed/worried about this given that SE gave us a whole new set of tomes to grind. Player skill > gear, yes but the fact lore was uncapped for a new tomestone when people already cleared a12s is worrying. Listen for a sec..... this means no savage raids until 4.0. The community will not be ok with this.

[Pasquale]

People definitely have the right to be sad or disappointed/worried about this given that SE gave us a whole new set of tomes to grind. Player skill > gear, yes but the fact lore was uncapped for a new tomestone when people already cleared a12s is worrying. Listen for a sec..... this means no savage raids until 4.0. The community will not be ok with this.

That's another fact.. 270 gears have no sense .. If the " hardest " contemt can be cleared with the previous patch equip i really can't see any sense on this

[IllyriaKnotfred]

I like how you chime in Pasquale, but only when its someone who shares opinions close to yours :^).

@ Lunafreya

The community not being happy as appose to what exactly? Only 1-5% of the raiding player base clearing it? Hate to break it to you hunny- but the more people clearing the content, getting loot and having fun = happier people. The community will be PERFECTLY fine with it. Will some of the 1-5% that cleared Gordias and Midas? Maybe not, but guess what? They are the absolute smallest % of the player base.

[Pasquale]

I like how you chime in Pasquale, but only when its someone who shares opinions close to yours :^).

@ Lunafreya

The community not being happy as appose to what exactly? Only 1-5% of the raiding player base clearing it? Hate to break it to you hunny- but the more people clearing the content, getting loot and having fun = happier people. The community will be PERFECTLY fine with it. Will some of the 1-5% that cleared Gordias and Midas? Maybe not, but guess what? They are the absolute smallest % of the player base.

1) every1 putting these numbers forget something , that 5%is refered to the global population ( most of them are not raiders because they have different goal ) that 5% is not the numbers of the global raiders who cleared.2) Let's be honest now that u can see EVERYTHING from normal version people are still crying cuz the thing they really want is the MAX lv weapon so they can sayy woooo im op!

[Eul]

Well I don't mind if the savage is easier to clear, because it will encourage casual-tier to do savage and that could increase the clear rate statistics

[Frederick22]

It seems that this comunity doesnt even know what it wants

Midas savage: "too dificult, gives something less hard"

Creator savage: "too blunt easy, this is not raid hardcore at all"

[Ibi]

It seems that this comunity doesnt even know what it wants

Midas savage: "too dificult, gives something less hard"

Creator savage: "too blunt easy, this is not raid hardcore at all"

It's almost like the community isn't a hive mind, and different people have different opinions!

[Morningstar1337]

It's almost like the community isn't a hive mind, and different people have different opinions!

In that case I took it upon myself to make a poll to see if the community what the community really wants
http://www.strawpoll.me/11331408

I would also appreciate it if people explain their reasoning for their choice (and also post the poll on r/ffxiv so that we can get a clear picture)

[Kaurie]

In that case I took it upon myself to make a poll to see if the community what the community really wants
http://www.strawpoll.me/11331408

I would also appreciate it if people explain their reasoning for their choice (and also post the poll on r/ffxiv so that we can get a clear picture)

I voted for Final Coil, but having 2 options was fairly limiting.

Personally, I'd like to have a system like WoW - where there is 4 levels of difficulty. My preference is challenging, but forgiving. Something that requires coordination and practice, but doesn't require you to wipe for months.

In previous tiers, my team only made it to 15% of A7S, and had just cleared A2S before Midas dropped. We did start Gordias late, but Midas we started right away. Obviously, my team is not top tier - but we're not horrible players. I have a feeling that the difficulty of Creator will be more our speed, but we haven't been in yet.

As an aside, the current vote results are 85% Final Coil and 15% Gordias (Savage)

[Belhi]

I voted for Final Coil, but having 2 options was fairly limiting.

Personally, I'd like to have a system like WoW - where there is 4 levels of difficulty. My preference is challenging, but forgiving. Something that requires coordination and practice, but doesn't require you to wipe for months.

In previous tiers, my team only made it to 15% of A7S, and had just cleared A2S before Midas dropped. We did start Gordias late, but Midas we started right away. Obviously, my team is not top tier - but we're not horrible players. I have a feeling that the difficulty of Creator will be more our speed, but we haven't been in yet.

As an aside, the current vote results are 85% Final Coil and 15% Gordias (Savage)

Early in HW life cycle there was an interview with Yoshi P where he was asked about the two difficulties and he said he would prefer 3 but doesn't have the manpower to do more than two. As a result he does one tier for everyone and one for proper raiding.

From a purely metric perspective the ultra hard teir of content would not be the highest priority as the number of players who would truly engage and invest a lot of time on it is relatively small. Case in point, a rough census using Loadstone data indicated that roughly only 1%, if that, of the NA player base actually finished Gordias Savage before Midas came out and while its likely higher, I suspect even Midas Savage wouldn't top 10% before Creator.

From that perspective Normal mode is a much better investment. The number of players actually completing and even regularly doing the Normal mode almost certainly massively exceeds those actually in the higher level progression.