Scaling of abilities to a player's level is not a step in the right direction.

[Viridiana]

ok lets put it like this, a mage with one role only needs a few spells, but a mage which is supposed to support DD and survive needs more spells.

im really thinking about CON here, because they have to cure, support, survive and DD. In different system they can choose thier skills, but heres the key, classes are supposed to excel at solo, and most people will level solo from like 1-15 most likely, remember the design of specialisation into partying doesnt come till 30.

So you have a con
you have to design him with support skills that help a team, a lot of which will be less useful when you are solo.
so what are his solo skills? how much more difficult is it going to be to get con from 1-20 with comparitively low offensive skills.

thm just use scourge and banish? but they also used cure/sacrifice stygian spikes spiritsong profundity protect shell stoneskin bloodrite. these were all skills available before level 13. but now, you cant do that low level.

at 13 you can use 2 cross class abilities. what is a new thm going to pick, hes going to have to lose a lot of survivability. Now con might have magic, but with only 15 abilities total? where is the room for it? something has to give.

So now, low level you are highly specialized, when that is the time you will probably need the most versatility.

Hmm. . . CNJ abilities (pulled out of my arse).

1. Wall (there's Protect and Shell together)
2. Stoneskin
3. Cure
4. Esuna
5. Holy (astral DD spell)
6. . . .Un-holy? (Umbral DD spell)
7. Soughspeak
8. Raise
9. Sleep
10. . . .

So, yeah, maybe I'm missing something, but that seems to cover the essentials. . .

[Spellbinder]

Hmm. . . CNJ abilities (pulled out of my arse).

1. Wall (there's Protect and Shell together)
2. Stoneskin
3. Cure
4. Esuna
5. Holy (astral DD spell)
6. . . .Un-holy? (Umbral DD spell)
7. Soughspeak
8. Raise
9. Sleep
10. . . .

So, yeah, maybe I'm missing something, but that seems to cover the essentials. . .

I'd guess you're missing the spells that make Conjurer, you know, an Elementalist? Conjurer is not the White Mage, White Mage is...

I have a bad feeling reducing it down to only 15 spells is going to be a problem.

[Forerunner]

I'd guess you're missing the spells that make Conjurer, you know, an Elementalist? Conjurer is not the White Mage, White Mage is...

I have a bad feeling reducing it down to only 15 spells is going to be a problem.

THM is getting the Elementals.

[Spellbinder]

THM is getting the Elementals.

THM is the class required for Black Mage, this is true. But show me where the Developers said THM is getting the elemental spells. They've already made clear that they're not making major changes to the skills granted to either class.

Our next class revamps will not alter the fundamentals of each class.

As such, some details will be changed, but there will not be any major changes for classes.

Of course, if there are many demands for change after we release the details of the class revamps, we will look into those demands.

[Manafont]

THM is the class required for Black Mage, this is true. But show me where the Developers said THM is getting the elemental spells. They've already made clear that they're not making major changes to the skills granted to either class.

where did they make this clear at? Stop typing cause you dunt know

[Spellbinder]

where did they make this clear at? Stop typing cause you dunt know

Yoshi-P stating that they "will not alter the fundamentals of each class" is not clear? The elemental spells of the Conjurer known for its ties to the elements and being an elementalist sound pretty fundamental to me.

[Manafont]

Yoshi-P stating that they "will not alter the fundamentals of each class" is not clear? The elemental spells of the Conjurer known for its ties to the elements and being an elementalist sound pretty fundamental to me.

You must not have common sense breh. Imma let you see when the patch goes live how wrong you arez

[Answa]

where did they make this clear at? Stop typing cause you dunt know

Here:

Our next class revamps will not alter the fundamentals of each class.

As such, some details will be changed, but there will not be any major changes for classes.

Of course, if there are many demands for change after we release the details of the class revamps, we will look into those demands.

From source.

[Spellbinder]

Here:



From source.

Thank you Answa, although it shouldn't require quoting the same statement from Yoshi-P twice to get the point across.

[Viridiana]

I'd guess you're missing the spells that make Conjurer, you know, an Elementalist? Conjurer is not the White Mage, White Mage is...

I have a bad feeling reducing it down to only 15 spells is going to be a problem.

Okay, remove the astral/umbral spells an add in one for each element. That's only 13 spells. What are the other two, and what's the next one that puts you at 16/15?