Scaling of abilities to a player's level is not a step in the right direction.

[MugenMugetsu]

So I've heard/read that SE is planning to eliminate tiered abilities and instead have one spell/ability that becomes more powerful as a character becomes higher level. This simply will not work.

This is going to put players in a position where hate control is going to become a huge issue. As a level 50 Conjurer this tells me that I will have 1 Cure spell, for example, that becomes more powerful as I level. This is all well and good until you consider the fact that if I want to drop a Cure I or Cure II on the tank or DD that needs said Cure, and hate has not been well established, I'm going to have only one, what I assume to be tier III powered Cure, available to me to use to cure the tank/dd.

If hate has not been well established this is going to cause me to become the mob's primary target as the enmity generated from the tier III powered Cure spell I used is going to cause the mob to see me as a threat.

This works the same way with attack magic. If I want to DD as Con, rather than dropping tier III spells before hate has been well established I will no longer have the option of being able to use a tier 1 or tier 2 level attack magic spell. This again will generate enmity that could very well cause me to pull the mob off of the tank and put me at risk of being an mp sponge.

I, for one, am none too please with SE's or Yoshi P's decision to go in this direction as I enjoy playing strategically and being able to use the different tiered spells I have available to me not only just to make sure I don't generate too much enmity and pull hate off the tank, but also because the use of lowered tiered spells in instances where they would be suitable conserves mp.

I would much prefer to have the option of using a lowered tiered spell to save mp and make sure that I am not generating too much enmity than have only one spell/ability that has been scaled to my level as far as it's potency is concerned.

It is probably already too late for my concerns to make a difference but I did want to start this thread to see if there are any other players out there who share the same concern that I have with tiered spells being eliminated.

I could go on and on in regards to the problems with this new system that is to be implemented, but I think I have made my point. In closing, SE please think before you take action and change a perfectly good system into what you "think" will be more suitable. These types of changes should absolutely have to be rigorously tested in various situations including xp parties, instanced dungeons, and fights such as the Ifrit battle before they are ever considered for actual placement and use in game. I'm going to be none to pleased when I'm being eaten by mobs because I dropped a "Cure" on a tank/DD and it causes me to draw hate because my spell was scaled to my level and the potency caused the mob to see me as a threat. Also, and I know I have already mentioned this, this is going to cause a lot of trouble for us mages when it comes to conserving mp.

Share your feedback. Maybe my opinion is not necessarily correct and everything will work out beautifully, but I highly doubt it will, unless we are given the option to choose the potency of the 1 spell available for us to use which has been scaled to be as potent as it should be at a player's level.

[Forbin]

/signed with 10 chars
R50 CON

[Estellios]

Wait till we get more info on the combo system, there is probably a combo that lowers the enmity from Curing by a lot (If that +50% enmity example is any indication), and they were already going to adjust the enmity from it on top of that. If hate hasn't been established yet, just don't nuke. The Curing issue is a more valid one, but pretty sure that has been taken into account because of the feedback of Cure enmity.

[Kopuno]

Personally, I like to make sure my Tank stays capped off as much as possible. So in situations where I only need a Cure I, I'm going to have to waste a ton more MP. I see issue's with this situation.

[Tibian]

Personally, I like to make sure my Tank stays capped off as much as possible. So in situations where I only need a Cure I, I'm going to have to waste a ton more MP. I see issue's with this situation.

That is because you're looking at healing from a one spell restoration move: Cure. There are (most likely, or at least SHOULD be) going to be other restorative abilities to use. Healing with one/two (Cure/Sac) spells is boring. Other MMORPG's have at least four to seven healing spells that do different properties for different situations.

I was a big proponent of downranking spells in other MMO's. However after seeing how the automatic ranking works in other games, I can tell you it is a much more efficient and appropriate mechanism for keeping things on the same page as far as balance goes.

The concern about keeping tanks topped off is valid, but I wouldn't worry about it unless we're still going to be limited to Cure 3/Sac 3. Wait for new spells/abilities/traits to appear before you start calling in the doom hammer.

[Cycloptichorn]

Hmm.

If your tank doesn't have hate established in a tough fight, isn't it appropriate that the mob will go after healers? Let us consider - in games in which you fight a group of enemies, and one of them is constantly healing the other ones, which one do YOU try and kill first?

The healers - no question. I don't see why the mobs should act any differently. It's realistic that way. As a tank I would rather see a setup or situation where it really matters if I know how to do my job or not.

[Jinko]

You really think that they will change the way Cure works and not take into account the amount of hate it generates, its called balancing and if its not ammended before 1.20 it will be afterwards, the devs aren't stupid.

It's not just Con skills that are being changed the way provoke works could be changed and many other things which will effect the way enmity is generated.

Sit down, calm down and be patient.

Fact is if at end game Con/WHM (whatever you want to call it) pulls too much hate then the dev team will just have to address it, I'm sure they have tested it enough though not to release the patch with such a glaring problem in effect.

[Atomisk]

Fact is if at end game Con/WHM (whatever you want to call it) pulls too much hate then the dev team will just have to address it, I'm sure they have tested it enough though not to release the patch with such a glaring problem in effect.

Cause they did that at launch as well right?

[Jinko]

Cause they did that at launch as well right?

Different dev team, Yoshi wasn't in charge.

Chances are the new moogle fight has been tuned with the skill changes in effect, they have a test server obviously, I can't see something like enmity going unoticed.

[Physic]

Different dev team, Yoshi wasn't in charge.

Chances are the new moogle fight has been tuned with the skill changes in effect, they have a test server obviously, I can't see something like enmity going unoticed.

considering they only finished the outline that yoshiP didnt approve officially, last week, and yoshi p just approved it like wednesday, i highly doubt they have tested anything at all, especially against moogle battle. maybe by late december they will have, but we ll see.