Primals, Eikons and something I still don't understand

[RahfaelFavinco]

It's confirmed that each Eikon is stored in a proto-Dalamud like structure for the purpose of harnessing their powers, at least.

The Triad, yes, but we have no idea when Odin was summoned. He might have had jack squat to do with the Allagans.

Wth regards to Odin: Sephirot's and Sophia's thralls needed to be killed like any Primal thralls. Presumably, without the thralls, once defeated, the Fiend and Goddess were gone for good. Odin seems capable of existing without any active worshippers besides the thrall on Sleipnir's back, and without any more belief than a vague rumor of a demonic horseman in the Shroud. Even when Odin is defeated and the thrall is killed...how does Odin survive until the opportunity to claim a new thrall presents itself? Does it have to do with the true form of Odin, the Zantetsuken blade, being an actual physical object? How does only one person's forced worship give Odin the immense power he has?

[Jandor]

Wth regards to Odin: Sephirot's and Sophia's thralls needed to be killed like any Primal thralls. Presumably, without the thralls, once defeated, the Fiend and Goddess were gone for good. Odin seems capable of existing without any active worshippers besides the thrall on Sleipnir's back, and without any more belief than a vague rumor of a demonic horseman in the Shroud. Even when Odin is defeated and the thrall is killed...how does Odin survive until the opportunity to claim a new thrall presents itself? Does it have to do with the true form of Odin, the Zantetsuken blade, being an actual physical object? How does only one person's forced worship give Odin the immense power he has?

I don't think Primals need prayer to stick around after manifesting. It seems to keep them from dissipating if no aether is around, for example with Bahamut and his thousands of sleeping dragons trapped in Dalamud, but so long as there is aether in the surrounding land to drain I think they're pretty much self sustaining after the summoning.

Edit: Bahamuts probably not the best example. He was trapped in a giant space solar panel for the Allagans, probably plenty of aether or equivalent power source available in that. Still, the Warring Triad trapped way up in the sky don't seem to have much in the way of external aether sources. They might make a better example? Not overly familiar with them tbh.

Anyway, my point is, Odin doesn't need thralls to keep him around and I don't think this is unique to him. I think either aether or prayer can keep a primal going, but draining aether for them is like breathing for us, you can't really not do it.

[myahele]

Being an Eikon, the Zantetsuken is probably absorbing aether while waiting for someone to pick it up, which probably doesn't take too long. Afterall, people are targeting the host while doing nothing to the sword itself.

It only takes one thrall to bring forth a primal, once that primal exists they can then absorb the land's aether to further grow stronger. Pure speculation, but when it comes to swords that possess people, there's usually that One warrior whom that sword deems worthy/strong enough to wield it to the point where s/he isn't possess. I believe that the real Odin was that person and Zantetsuken is merely recreating him from those who pick it up becuase the new hosts don't compare to Odin.

[Claire_Pendragon]

Trying not to spoil too much, there is a primal who's goal is to make things better, and realizes its own existence goes against this. (showing primals ideals are still slightly based on their original followers)

Being an Eikon, the Zantetsuken is probably absorbing aether while waiting for someone to pick it up, which probably doesn't take too long. Afterall, people are targeting the host while doing nothing to the sword itself.

It only takes one thrall to bring forth a primal, once that primal exists they can then absorb the land's aether to further grow stronger. Pure speculation, but when it comes to swords that possess people, there's usually that One warrior whom that sword deems worthy/strong enough to wield it to the point where s/he isn't possess. I believe that the real Odin was that person and Zantetsuken is merely recreating him from those who pick it up becuase the new hosts don't compare to Odin.

The sword is a more advanced form of the Anima Weapons we use now. (most magic is just a hair width away from becoming a primal, so that thin line needs to be watched carefully so we don't make more primals)
(Example: we use Aether to make a physical form from it, and make a blizzard spell. In this case, we go a bit further to make the physical form (crystalized aether) but need to make the consciousness, and then intelligence, in order for it to become a primal. The difference between a golem and a primal stems from the constant prayer given to a primal, that in turn needs constant aether to fullfill the constant prayers of its followers, where a golem is content with the aether it was given. And you need multiple worshipers, except in rare cases, to give it more 'life like' consciousness/intelligence than a golem. Though idk why.)

I don't think Primals need prayer to stick around after manifesting. It seems to keep them from dissipating if no aether is around, for example with Bahamut and his thousands of sleeping dragons trapped in Dalamud, but so long as there is aether in the surrounding land to drain I think they're pretty much self sustaining after the summoning.

The same cutscene says the sleeping dragons are praying to him/calling out for him in their sleep, which was an explanation as to "who is praying to bahamut?"

[Jandor]

The same cutscene says the sleeping dragons are praying to him/calling out for him in their sleep, which was an explanation as to "who is praying to bahamut?"

I edited my post to hopefully make what I was trying to say a little clearer .

[Annana]

The Triad, yes, but we have no idea when Odin was summoned. He might have had jack squat to do with the Allagans.

The SMN relic quest mentions an Allagan Summoner who had Green Eyes and sacrificed herself in the fight against Odin so that her allies might defeat the Elder Primal.

[Cilia]

If I recall correctly, Odin was fist brought into being yes, during a war with the Allagans. A rebel took up Zantetsuken to fight them, believing he could control it rather than the other way around, but ultimately succumbed to its influence and became Odin.

I can't recall who defeated him... though I believe it would have to be Urth or Wiyu. Probably Urth. I think.