Proposal for 3.4 BiS for War.

**alimdia** · 09-30-2016 11:32 AM

Indeed should be using alex str ring.
For neck, would a good melded crafted vit neck be better? It has 54 crit - can meld 36 - 48 skill speed extra.

Regarding savage chest vs tomestone chest, i would say savage chest melded with acc for lower turns, tomestone chest for higher turns.

**aleph_null** · 10-01-2016 06:23 AM

If the accu cap is indeed 699 just like a8s, then depending on how much hp you'd like to have you can take the slaying savage ring and slaying tome earring and just meld 1x accu v materia somewhere (probably head since it seems to be the only place where you meld anything other than str/vit/crit). Something like this http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/VVDJ.

Originally Posted by alimdia

Indeed should be using alex str ring.
For neck, would a good melded crafted vit neck be better? It has 54 crit - can meld 36 - 48 skill speed extra.

Based on the old stat weights for war, nope it still loses to the tomestone necklace.

**Sarcatica** · 10-01-2016 04:31 PM

The real question on the Slaying/Fending accessories: How much HP will be enough for tanks to still be able to withstand tank busters in DPS stance at any point? While a9s-a11s are pretty mild, A12S in particular has Punishing Heat that currently requires tank stance and big CDs to survive. The tank adds also does Smash which hits for quite a bit. The WAR in particular currently has to save a lot of CDs when he goes in to tank and hit the add alone, if you have seen the clear vids.

So this comes back to IF 35k++ HP at i270s is able to let tanks do more damage via DPS stances.

Also to note that it makes your healers' job easier to have more HP as a tank especially if they are also busy doing DPS to push for that group DPS.

Remember, right now you are comparing to a very small damage up for that kind of HP which can potentially (to be tested when we all reach i270s) contribute more as a team's effort rather than your own 420blazemyparse.

**aleph_null** · 10-01-2016 06:53 PM

Haven't seen the kill vids of a12s since I'm still at a10s but I wouldn't wear slaying the first time I step in there lol. I'll consider slaying only after clearing the fight, and even then it's just as you said, depends on how much hp I'd want to have.

**HaelseMikiro** · 10-04-2016 01:03 AM

I propose this set for bis.
It's only about 2.5 stat weight lower than the full fending one in the OP (http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/VRCR) AND it uses the Alex chest, BUT.. that 2.5 weight is EASILY made up for when you notice my build still has 9 empty melds on left side. After parsing on a12s SSS and getting 0 misses for 2501 attacks @699 acc, I'd have to insist that useless parry > useless accuracy, so I swapped the chest from Scripture to Savage.
Final stats:
700 acc(using priestly omelette) 1138 crit, 570 Det, and 517 SkS.
Use the final 9 melds however you like at this point to get SkS where you like it, then boost Crit/det with the leftovers. Even going full SkS with those last melds will put you 10 weight above http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/VRCR

Side note: I do plan on running more parses @699 on the dummy. I'm pretty confident with 2500 hits that this set will work, but it only takes 1 miss to send me back to the drawing board

**aleph_null** · 10-04-2016 02:50 AM

Originally Posted by HaelseMikiro

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That seems to be the best full fending set I've seen so far. I just noticed that using the omelette allows dropping the tome chest (if you use pipira you'll end up at 698 accu, which is why I ruled that possibility out few days ago when the omelette wasn't updated on ariyala yet).

Edit: http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/W0MV using 4x sks v melds instead of 4x det v melds you can reach 560-ish sks which should be plenty, otherwise you can use det melds and end up with 510-ish sks which pld and drk may prefer (?).

**EdgeFayth** · 10-04-2016 09:52 AM

If we can get 0 miss on A12S in dps stance front with 700 acc, then yes, we can use the Alex body. My main issue with the previous build was to lower down the acc (impossible to go to 715, my min was 750). With this acc, the BiS I found (see my first post) was at 5680 AP.
But if this can be done, then I obtain the following build:

http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/W188

With these stats for an Highander:
ilvl: 270. Str:1286. Acc: 700. Crit: 1215. Det: 610. SkS: 565. Vit:1742 (so 34492 HP). Par: 444.

AP: 5701.

Better that's right.

**HaelseMikiro** · 10-05-2016 08:27 PM

You're set is good EdgeFayth, but you made a huge mistake. You didn't manually change the stat weights in the BiS solver. Ariyala never got those updated to reflect Dervy's more recent research. So the final weight of your set for a Highlander is actually only 5236.67, not 5701.
That's 4590.618 added from gear.
Using my set, even with full SkS in the 9 open melds (lowest possible weight gain) gives a gear weight of 4590.82.
That's a bonus of 0.202 main stat damage potential(who even cares?) BUT has the added bonus of +1500 HP since VIT wasn't sacrificed for secondaries.
And then using the highest weight melds will take the gear weight to 4593.04

At a difference of 3 stat weight on the scale of 45-4600, in the end it matters nil, FFLOGS will reward crit RNG,party stacking, and mastery of an enounter.
I stand by my previous statement of

Originally Posted by HaelseMikiro

Use the final 9 melds however you like at this point to get SkS where you like it, then boost Crit/det with the leftovers.

with the added defense of 'however you use those melds, it will probably be the highest weight set a WAR could possibly build, with the extra icing of maximum possible HP'

**EdgeFayth** · 10-06-2016 01:29 AM

Hi.
I used the stats available here (not the ones by default):
https://dervyxiv.wordpress.com/stat-weights/

They aren't correct?

**alimdia** · 10-06-2016 08:19 PM

@HaelseMikiro
Just comparing alex slaying ring vs tomestone fending ring, it seems like alex slaying ring has about 8 more stat weight. So doing that change would make it better

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