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    Then its fine. I took bad idea from the screen, please these who call me troll go troll somewhere else. And this thread can be closed.

    Thank you Betelgeuzah for put the things in the right place.
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    I don't see the point in having more than 1 bar on the screen at a time until they let you bind any key to anything, including action buttons. But yes, they really need to make this happen sooner or later. The only thing a bandage fix like adding multiple bars at a time would do is make gamepad users or clickers a little happier for a bit at the cost of leaving keyboard/mouse users in the dust. A possibly easier fix for keyboard/mouse users would even be to just seperate the switch action bar hotkeys from the up/down select functions in the hotkey menu. that way we wouldnt have to reselect our target every time we wanted to switch bars.
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    Final Fantasy was never about speed clicking...that's for mindless button mashing games like WoW.

    2ndly...if you need to change battle modes constantly...you most certainly don't know how to play the game correctly.

    3rdly...I don't see the difficulty of pressing an up and down arrow key. If you set your skills properly there is great strategy to pair your skills by a simple up and down action with your arrow or controller.

    4thly...most Final Fantasy fans don't mind the whole menu system and wish it were more like most other Final Fantasies.

    5thly...99% of the time you use only 10 to 15 skills repeatedly anyways.

    6thly...learn to play the game...

    7th...Don't call others trolls when in fact you yourself are the troll.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Agoven View Post
    Final Fantasy was never about speed clicking...that's for mindless button mashing games like WoW.
    It is if you played with the wait command between menu actions (ATB) off.

    Quote Originally Posted by Agoven View Post
    2ndly...if you need to change battle modes constantly...you most certainly don't know how to play the game correctly.
    As a tank class job you need to be able to target monsters first, over anything else. The only mode that allows you to do this is /tmode b with enemy targeting as the selected option. The Function key that was designed to target the mob closest to you does not work. /btmode on only works for enemies you actually have enmity from. Direct targeting, which is supposed to target the closest monster to you does not work either.

    Quote Originally Posted by Agoven View Post
    3rdly...I don't see the difficulty of pressing an up and down arrow key. If you set your skills properly there is great strategy to pair your skills by a simple up and down action with your arrow or controller.
    As I mentioned above, and since you don't have a tanking class at level 50 to really see what I'm talking about it isn't as simple as you make it out, especially since most high level groupings now are multi-monster fights.

    Quote Originally Posted by Agoven View Post
    4thly...most Final Fantasy fans don't mind the whole menu system and wish it were more like most other Final Fantasies.
    Since we both know you haven't spoken to most Final Fantasy fans, this statement is pure fallacy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Agoven View Post
    5thly...99% of the time you use only 10 to 15 skills repeatedly anyways.
    Again I'll respond like I did previously, that this statement is a fallacy. On top of that as my MRD I have a total of 22 Abilities I use at all times. If you are only using 10 to 15 of your skills repeatedly then in my honest opinion you aren't playing to your full potential.

    Quote Originally Posted by Agoven View Post
    6thly...learn to play the game...
    I have learned. Thanks for making another assumption.

    Quote Originally Posted by Agoven View Post
    7th...Don't call others trolls when in fact you yourself are the troll.
    This made me laugh, it reminds me the way children retaliate when they know they made a mistake.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Technolust View Post
    As a tank class job you need to be able to target monsters first, over anything else. The only mode that allows you to do this is /tmode b with enemy targeting as the selected option. The Function key that was designed to target the mob closest to you does not work. /btmode on only works for enemies you actually have enmity from. Direct targeting, which is supposed to target the closest monster to you does not work either.



    As I mentioned above, and since you don't have a tanking class at level 50 to really see what I'm talking about it isn't as simple as you make it out, especially since most high level groupings now are multi-monster fights.
    There is a target function in the keyboard config which target only monsters no matter what the current target filter is.
    Cycle through enemies: T
    Cycle through enemies (reverse): Shift + T

    Or change the key setting for toggle target filter to
    Toggle target filter: Shift + ↓
    Toggle target filter (reverse): Shift + ↑
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    Last edited by Felis; 11-14-2011 at 04:23 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agoven View Post
    It's lovely that you call someone a troll when you don't even have a character over level 25 character...and your statements become invalid when you don't frankly know how to even play the game.
    This just proves my point. Thanks for the laugh Troll Trollerson.

    Quote Originally Posted by Felis View Post
    There is a target function in the keyboard config which target only monsters no matter what the current target filter is.
    Cycle through enemies: T
    Cycle through enemies (reverse): Shift + T

    Or change the key setting for toggle target filter to
    Toggle target filter: Shift + ↓
    Toggle target filter (reverse): Shift + ↑
    Thanks for the info Skadi I will have to give this a try and see if this helps. Here is a question for you though does it work like /tmode b (enemy) setting? Without having to set tmode?
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    IF you find the action bar so offensive. Learn to use macros!!! Most good Final Fantasy players past and present use purely macros to play with. We <3 our macros!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Agoven View Post
    IF you find the action bar so offensive. Learn to use macros!!! Most good Final Fantasy players past and present use purely macros to play with. We <3 our macros!!!
    I shouldn't have to create workarounds (ie macros) to fix a broken interface.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rowyne View Post
    I shouldn't have to create workarounds (ie macros) to fix a broken interface.
    Do you have any idea how completely out of the realm of reason that sounds?
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    Macros are the essence of Final Fantasy XI and unrealized in Final Fantasy XIV. Macros are essential for unique characterization. Adding emotes and texts to make your actions more personable.

    MACROS ARE NOT WORKAROUNDS!

    Shudder to think someone would call them a workaround. Most people who ENJOY Final Fantasy play extensively with macros.
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    Last edited by Agoven; 11-13-2011 at 10:29 PM.

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