Mog Station is overpriced.

[Nihility]

That was my first reaction when seeing these new outfits, and sadly, it put me off buying it.

My guess is they're charging extra for the new outfit because its dyeable and thats their excuse.

It has nothing to do with any of that.
The "Eastern Outfits" were made for the chinese and korean versions of the game run a lot more like a F2P mmo by other companies than S-E
ingame glamour outfits in those countries sell at exorbitant prices regularly, like 200$+ is not really as rare as you might think.

those outfits are sold at that price in the original countries and S-E got a ton of "bring those outfits to NA!!" so maintaining the price point is very likely just what S-E was forced to do to even have permission to offer them at all

[Celef]

answer

Thank you for your answer Erik and the respectfull way you did it (cause yeah, we can disagree and still remain respectfull guys, remeber that and stop slashing each others throats please ^^"), I just would like to come back on that part if you don't mind :

I and people like me use to be like you. We were "hardcore" but as you grow you just don't have the time, but that doesn't mean you should be excluded.

People like me used to be like people like you, we used to have extra money to spend on extra things but as live goes and bills grows (and not salary) you just don't have the extra money anymore, but that doesn't mean you should be excluded....no ? ^^"

Don't want to be mean or anything but with the system, those having money but no time are not excluded as you said but those having time and no money (yeah, even with a full day job) are, in fact, excluded so how is it fair ?

I don't ask for the disapereance of CS, not anymore cause I know it's useless and I'm getting tired of certain comments regarding my "crusade" like said earlier on other threads, I'm asking for fairness, a way for those not having extra cash to get those in game and "not be excluded" :/

[Watachy]

FOR THE CRUSADE

Our lord, investigator of this crusade is done ? Oh man...

Interesting, respectfull guy with decent arguments

Hi fellow, glad to see someone that can take a break from the anger of this thread and expose his legits arguments.
As i said earlier on this thread (i think), im absolutely not against the CS if he still the way he is actually: only for glamour (something supposed to be optinnal).
The problem in my opinion is that they were too many new CS items recently. The fact that the income of items is more important in the CS than the game is something that bothers me (well the price of some CS items are just a joke too^^).
As my Master Celef said, i think that put a way to obtain those items in the game with difficult quests or achievements (anybody though about achievements rewards ? Haven't read all the 40 pages).

So people like you can buy it and people like us could simply farm'em. Everyone should enjoy this way

[Paladinleeds]

Eye-openeing viewpoint

Have to admit, I was vehemently against putting things in the cash shop, but you know what, your argument you brought forth has helped me see it from another perspective. Do you reckon we could agree that adding it to the cash-shop is OK as long as they also add a way to get it in-game, as in, it isn't a cash shop exclusive? I know Final Fantasy Mobius does this (I installed it on my Android). You can either farm everything, or you can pay real money for it. They say time is money, so either way you're paying for it. Just, with a different currency I guess?

[ReplicaX]

As my Master Celef said, i think that put a way to obtain those items in the game with difficult quests or achievements (anybody though about achievements rewards ? Haven't read all the 40 pages).

So people like you can buy it and people like us could simply farm'em. Everyone should enjoy this way

I see no issue with this, so long as whether from the CS or via ingame the items are the exact same thing. Equal from both sides and the player can decide if it is worth it or not. Time invest or money.

Example: Sleipnir Mount
Defeat Odin trial XXX times, sync'd party only (no unsync'd cheesing it)
and/or
XX amount of Odin's Mantles

However, we are not SE

[Lunafreya]

There is no point in trying to argue about the value of things since everyone is going to have a different opinion and calling people irrational just because their opinion doesn't mirror yours is pointless and unnecessary rudeness also.

Maybe it is rude but I don't like the people that ENCOURAGE cash shop items. There is always a thread where someone says "I will pay x for that glamour or x for that item" instead of encouraging it for an in game event or something. That's my problem. They get the price to be very high because of their incessant whining that they want it on the shop. Is it totally wrong to be against these people? I just think posters want everything on a silver platter by encouraging the cash shop. That's my opinion though. I wouldn't be against these eastern outfit items if they were at least a reasonable price.

What about the chair mount? That looks like it should have been prepared for Halloween.

[Talraen]

I don't buy much of anything in the cash shop because I feel the prices are too high, but the arguments against it seem to me to be going in the wrong direction. It's simple economics. If more than six times as many people would buy something for $3 than bought it for $18, they should sell it for $3; otherwise, they shouldn't. I don't know that SE has found the optimal price or anything, but I think you're more likely to get lower prices by pointing out that you'd buy stuff if it was cheaper than complaining about it being too expensive. You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar and all that.

All that said, judging by how many Chinese dresses I've seen in game, SE is doing a pretty good job understanding their market. Heck, if it was cheaper, the demand might actually decrease because it no longer makes you stand out (it hardly does as it is!). I'd rather get everything for free too, but I don't know what reason SE has to do that.

For that matter, while I'd probably unsubscribe the day they added actual pay to win stuff to the cash shop, if I were Square Enix and I calculated that the gains would offset the losses, I'd still do it. What can I say, my idealism died a long time ago, lol.

Maybe it is rude but I don't like the people that ENCOURAGE cash shop items. There is always a thread where someone says "I will pay x for that glamour or x for that item" instead of encouraging it for an in game event or something. That's my problem. They get the price to be very high because of their incessant whining that they want it on the shop. Is it totally wrong to be against these people?

I very much doubt SE is setting prices based specifically on what someone on the forum says they'll pay for something. The prices are set by the market. You'll notice they've been increasing; that most likely means more people have been buying each thing than they originally expected, so they're trying to find the optimal price point. And it implies that these are, objectively speaking, not overpriced.

[Watachy]

I see no issue with this, so long as whether from the CS or via ingame the items are the exact same thing. Equal from both sides and the player can decide if it is worth it or not. Time invest or money.

Example: Sleipnir Mount
Defeat Odin trial XXX times, sync'd party only (no unsync'd cheesing it)
and/or
XX amount of Odin's Mantles

However, we are not SE

That's exactly the kind of things i've thinking about. Nice example !
Imagine a super-long quest serie (like the hildibrand one but with some hard solo instances with NPC) to get the others mounts, like a huge mog storyline to get the 2 places mount.

What a dream

[cammi]

I hate people who don't agree to my idea.

Can't people say you're doing the same thing by whining that it's in the cashshop? There are no winners here, people should just stop being mad that other people do things differently and want to get items differently then someone else. I have always said they should do both, cash shop and ingame so noone is left behind. Not everyone wants to sit there and grind for some costume, tho at the same time not everyone wants to spend that cash. The people who do have the cash let em spend it. And the same to the people who have the time. Let em spend it.

[Lunafreya]

Can't people say you're doing the same thing by whining that it's in the cashshop? There are no winners here, people should just stop being mad that other people do things differently and want to get items differently then someone else. I have always said they should do both, cash shop and ingame so noone is left behind. Not everyone wants to sit there and grind for some costume, tho at the same time not everyone wants to spend that cash. The people who do have the cash let em spend it. And the same to the people who have the time. Let em spend it.

It sure looks like lots of people grind for glamour in this game :P

Yeah, I don't have to pay, that is correct and they have no bearing on my game experience but I like to believe in a world where these things were actually in game items. That is mostly why we pay a sub, right? We pay a sub and we pay for the expansions for more content after all. I just find it a bit excessive that the items are put on the shop through people here wanting them because they will pay a set amount for the items. You can say I am whining, fine. You have all the power to do so. I'm just trying to be reasonable here and encourage content to be put in the game. For the scion outfits, we should be able to get those through storyline objectives or learning about their backstory, for instance. I know it won't happen but I think it would be nice.