Mog Station is overpriced.

[Clover_Blake]

We aren't getting less in-game outfits. In fact, I believe we're getting more outfits per patch now than we did the very first updates after 2.0 launched. The Mog Station outfits are an extra feature that is not interfering with the amount of items we do get in-game. On top of that, the huge majority of Mog Station outfits are from past events, which you could get for free. The recent Chinese and Korean dresses were imported from those Asian servers, after many people asked for them.

As for the price, perhaps there are other games that offer cheaper outfits, but there there are also other games that are much more expensive (B&S, Vindictus, BDO). So this cashshop isn't the most expensive one at all. In fact it's quite far from the most expensive ones.

I don't believe the Mog Station is the evil many people treat it to be. I repeat: it is NOT affecting the amount of things we get in-game; most of the things for sale are items you could get ingame for free; the money people spend on it is being invested in making the game better, which is good for everyone, even the people who didn't use the Cashshop. And last but not least, Yoshida did say that monthly fee isn't enough to maintain a game, so it's only normal that they'd sell merchandising, be it real stuff or a few items at the cashshop. Don't buy if you don't like it, but don't complain that the cashshop is ruining the rest of the game because it is not true.

[Kaurie]

Well, just terminate your membership then. I don't remember anywhere in the terms of SE's subscription that said you would get all the content and they will not be able to change their business model.

I do not understand your stance. "I don't remember anywhere in SE's subscription that said players were not allowed to voice their feedback on the forums" either. Stop telling me, and others, to terminate our membership. It's obnoxious.

[Naunet]

You also have this FREEDOM OF CHOICE to buy it or not buy it. Nobody is forcing your hand, so just quit all these complaining about something being X dollars here and Y dollars there.

Screaming at the top of your lungs about how things are optional is not a valid argument against the very real fact that the Mog Station costume items are significantly worse deals than you can get from F2P and B2P games, which seems backwards considering SE does not need to rely solely on their cash shop for income.

It's also not your place to tell people to stop complaining about something.

[Blood-Aki]

You literally just expressed pride at your will power to enforce austerity on yourself. Isn't that a little like punishing yourself in some effort to send a message to others?

We all have temptations, But i like to think ahead. like if i buy this, i'll be supporting something i never wanted to be here, and i can't just go ask for a refund when i'm bored of the item, on my main i ended up dumping like 50 different glamour peices i obtained through various means because i had made up my mind i won't be using them again, Now imagine if all that was cash shop bought items.. spending money on something that should be ingame does not suit well with me.

Then I'd suggest never following Fashion.

hahaha, no worries there, i actively refuse and avoid that world with a passion. I wear what i like and what is comfy, not what has the biggest price tag and will get me the looks.

[Ametrine]

SNIP.

Late ass response, but I specifically noted the money going to SE, not just FFXIV. I'm fully aware FFXIV funds other projects with SE, as FFXI has done for it's lifetime.

And that's perfectly fine to me, as FFXIV isn't the only game they make that I enjoy.

I mean, FFXV wouldn't have been in the works for so long nor had all the expanded universes content if SE didn't have the money to invest!

And again, it's optional vanity. No merit on hard gameplay. You can wear other things, use other mounts, and accomplish the same in game. I haven't bought anything from the cash shop lately, but it certainly isn't making it harder to cast Cure.

[Blim]

Screaming at the top of your lungs about how things are optional is not a valid argument against the very real fact that the Mog Station costume items are significantly worse deals than you can get from F2P and B2P games, which seems backwards considering SE does not need to rely solely on their cash shop for income.

It's also not your place to tell people to stop complaining about something.

I'm afraid you've got it backwards my friend. The ones doing the screaming at the top of their lungs are those constantly harping about things being overpriced and acting like they have no choice about the prices when the 2 choices are simply to buy or not to buy an item. (voting with your wallet) If SE is offering you a worse deal than F2P or B2P, why not just go back there to play since you derive more value from it. It's that simple.

Paying a subscription every month here just so you can say you're a paying customer with a major issue about mogstation says alot.

And neither is it your place to tell people not to respond to your complains. If you don't want responses that burst your bubble or hurt your case, just simply stop coming online to complain when you can fully well expect replies.

[Knahli]

Why is it even remotely relevant whether or not FFXIV could hypothetically support itself on a subscription alone? I am getting a hell of a lot more than what I pay for when I pay my sub each month, and in spite of that of that, I should adopt a perspective of entitlement to absolutely everything to do with the game ever? I don't get free food and drink when I go to the cinema but both I and the managers know damn well that I expect to want and buy some regardless. I will not oppose something that offers a security buffer to a company and game which I wholeheartedly support nor will I deny them a comfortable income that can reliably allow them to offer me a superior service as opposed to that of a service relying only upon subscriptions which are no doubt grossly inconsistent.

The comments suggesting greed really need to take a good hard look at what they are protesting for.

[Miste]

Paying a subscription every month here just so you can say you're a paying customer with a major issue about mogstation says alot.

And neither is it your place to tell people not to respond to your complains. If you don't want responses that burst your bubble or hurt your case, just simply stop coming online to complain when you can fully well expect replies.

You need to relax a bit. If people give no feedback at all then SE never knows what the majority wants.

If enough people share their unhappiness with the prices then it is a possibility that SE might rethink their pricing scheme. Respectful feedback is totally fine...now not everyone does that unfortunately, but most do.

There are responses which you post your disagreement then there is unnecessary passive aggressive comments which you very easily could have left out like telling Kaurie and others who disagree with you to just terminate their sub. Unnecessary and does nothing to help your argument and this is coming from someone who bought both the Chinese and Korean dresses for myself...being legacy I pay a lesser sub fee ever since 2.0 started and I have money in my budget to spend on them so I did.

Factually are they overpriced...I would say yes due to other games being much cheaper in comparison. Overpriced for me? No, because my lifestyle allows me to purchase a few extra entertainment things here and there with zero issues. Basically the only thing I spend money on for entertainment is FFXIV and the occasional cheap steam game so I don't have a lot of other things using up my budget. Other people do not have the same situation and I totally agree that for the price I have absolutely no idea why these gearsets are not account-wide at least.

Be a bit more understanding about other player's situations...for some people the price is just too high and it is overpriced for them so they share their feedback that they are unhappy about it. It does not mean they are "harping" about it.

[Blim]

I guess I see it more like...

There are clubs that cost a membership that give you all the benefits.

Then, a new club comes along and offers free membership, but you need to purchase for additional services.

I then look at the 2 clubs and decide, hmm, I like the business model that I pay once for everything and everyone gets the same treatment. Some time down the road, the club changes things up and starts selling for additional services at rates that exceed the free clubs. I voice my discontent with it to the company.


I mean, this is fairly misleading:

Real Money Trading (RMT) is the buying and selling of in-game data (items, characters, etc.) in exchange for real life currency. This type of activity is prohibited in FINAL FANTASY XIV. Action will be taken against users who have initiated RMT transactions, as well as users who join RMT transactions.

Items and gil obtained through illegal programs and RMT activity greatly affect the in-game economy and disrupt the game's balance. Also, illegal programs may contain viruses and spyware that harm the user. This can be very dangerous, as it may result in data hacking and compromised access.
http://support.na.square-enix.com/fa...la=1&kid=68095

Why are we suddenly talking about RMT here? Red herring?

The whole issue started about people complaining that items in Mogstation being overpriced. Why are you even bringing in RMT is dangerous into the game and what has RMT got to do with the fact you paid for your subscription? Are you trying to mislead or force your argument in someway. Are you trying to imply that Mogstation has caused RMT? Mogstation is simply like a product shelf displaying an item for X dollars just like in the supermarket. Fair and square, totally legit.

Whether you choose to rob, steal, murder to obtain funds to buy that item off the shop/supermarket shelf has got nothing to do with whether the item on the shelf is overpriced, underpriced, being displayed on the shelf or the fault of the store/supermarket. Are you saying just by the fact that the item is costing X dollars on the store shelf is the cause of a person robbing/stealing or murdering and you want to ascribe liability to the store/supermarket? That is some serious logical fallacy there.

Items/gil obtained via the use of illegal programs in game? How is this even relevant to the topic? Spyware and viruses? Does it affect the pricing of items on mogstation or the fact that it is at a pricing you are not comfortable with?

[Ametrine]

Maybe the fact that the Mogstation sets are good looking vanity options unaffected by the gil based economy?

Lamia, my server, still sells the Poncho's everyone is wearing for a few million, (undyable, even) so it's way put of my reach as a player for now, and I wouldn't be surprised if RMT is a contributing factor.


So, maybe it's salt on a wound that so many vanity choices are beyond some players?