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  1. #1
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    Colorful's Avatar
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    Charlotte Elise
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    Kujata
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    Ninja Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Celef View Post
    Anti CS players warned you about that when it began and we were told to shut up because "it's just optional and there is no exclusive content in it".
    Now we have exclusive mounts, exclusive glam and look, xp bonuses....
    You wanted the CS, so deal with it now -_-
    "Just the ability to reskin your character, every MMORPG does it."
    "It's just one exclusive mount, chill."
    "Just event items, no big deal."

    >Seems like it'll just get worse and worse from here, similar to what happened in WoW.
    >Slippery slope fallacy, you have no evidence of that happening in FFXIV.

    "The weddings took a lot of work, and the paid ones are optional."
    "These exclusive mounts are just reskins."
    "Eh, $30 for a double seater isn't much."
    "Emote tied behind a $100+ statue isn't so bad, it's just a bonus."
    "This costume has an EXP bonus, so naturally it'll cost more."

    And so it did, it got worse and worse, Looking forward to the level up potion, I mean WoW has it so why not? /s

    I might sound a little pissy, but the moment someone mentioned it would get worse people would reject the idea and call it a slippery slope with no "proof" as we don't have the ability to look into the future. Well here we are, it got worse and people are still defending it. Maybe the community will finally break after they introduce level potion, as it did in WoW for a short period of time.
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    Raelynn Lovelace
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    Hyperion
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    Warrior Lv 90
    Pay-To-Win: Players who are willing to pay for special items or downloadable content may be able to gain a significant advantage over those playing for free. Critics of such games call them "pay-to-win" (p2w) games.



    Until level 30, +30% EXP Bonus

    Cash Shop Items that give an advantage over people who pay a monthly sub is Pay to Win, the EXP bonus you gain from that gear stacks with other EXP bonus items. This gives new players that buy the dress a huge advantage over
    regular new players, it no longer becomes an Optional shop if they start adding things like this.

    And it isn't just new players that get effected by this, but higher level players as well...Players in the pvp community.

    To give you an example:
    The Devs recently changed how ques work in the feast,

    In Season 1 of the feast it would work on a 3 tier system, you would never be matched up with people over 3 tiers higher or lower than your current tier. (If you were gold you would never get matched up with an unranked brand new pvper on your team or on the enemy side.)

    In Season 2 of the feast they made it so you could get matched up with any tier no matter your ranking. The Duty finder will try to match you up in your own tier first however if que times start to get too long they will grab from the lowest tier.
    This creates a huge problem for NA PVP since there is rarely anyone in que compared to those who PVP in Japan. Normally gold+ players will get matched up with a lot of unranked/Bronze players or in the case where the unranked player is a healer that healer will get a lot of gold->Platnium Players on thier team in an attempt for the Duty finder to balance both teams.


    (source)

    A lot of people have started making alts in the feast now in an attempt to sabotage people's matches (by quing up as an unranked healer and going all out with a team of silver/gold/platnium players or DPS and throwing matches on purpose to lower higher tier players rankings.)

    It Takes about two weeks to get from 0->60 and be pvp ready.
    Now add multiple Cash Shop EXP boosters like this new dress and the time it takes to get from 0->60 is much shorter, a lot more alts start appearing in PVP and things the feast just becomes even more horrid.

    This is actually the major reason why I don't want leveling Potions in the game, its because if it becomes too easy for people to get to 60 then nothing stops people from making a mess out of PVP due to the horrible Que systems for 4 v 4.
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    Last edited by Vejjiegirl; 09-28-2016 at 10:34 PM.

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    ReplicaX's Avatar
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    Methos Ranperre
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    Jenova
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    Ninja Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Vejjiegirl View Post
    Until level 30, +30% EXP Bonus
    This isn't in defense to SE, more consumer education. This shouldn't be a selling point when there is a "Brand New Ring" in-game that has the same bonus in one slot for 10 mins of effort and better stats via the Novice Tutorial for free.
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    Player Kosmos992k's Avatar
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    Kosmos Meishou
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    Behemoth
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    Paladin Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by ReplicaX View Post
    This isn't in defense to SE, more consumer education. This shouldn't be a selling point when there is a "Brand New Ring" in-game that has the same bonus in one slot for 10 mins of effort and better stats via the Novice Tutorial for free.
    Agreed. For the price of these items though, they should be account wide, not character specific. The XP bonus is pretty pointless since you don't really want to be wearing those 3 pieces at level 15+ instead of real gear, the defensive and stat bonuses are of course not there, and no amount of bonus XP will compensate for eating the floor repeatedly.

    Quote Originally Posted by LillithCale View Post
    These items are the same price, after conversion, as they were for the Chinese and Korean audience. They did not get these items for free, they paid for them just like us and they paid in equivalent value. Why is there such an expectation to get these items for less than their original audience paid for them?
    I agree with you. However, for the rather steep price (regardless of whether it is the same as the original items in the original markets), these items should have been account wide. All the items from the original 7/11 promotion that were brought over were account wide, and that is as it should be. I have a problem with glamour items, mounts and minions being character specific instead of account wide. Other than that though the shop really doesn't have a huge amount of things, and doesn't really detract from the game, while at the same time generating increased revenue that can be plowed (and has been) back into the game.

    I can't imagine many people investing in these glamour items for their Alts, and I would suggest that in actuality, more people would buy them if they were account wide since the perceived value would be higher. I think making them character specific limited sales a bit, and making them account wide not only be good PR, but would also increase sales.

    But, what do I know, I'm only a customer.

    PS. Fantasia needs an account wide option too.
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    Last edited by Kosmos992k; 11-02-2016 at 02:42 AM.

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    Lillith Cale
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    Balmung
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    Archer Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Kosmos992k View Post
    I agree with you. However, for the rather steep price (regardless of whether it is the same as the original items in the original markets), these items should have been account wide. All the items from the original 7/11 promotion that were brought over were account wide, and that is as it should be.
    I completely agree with you on this.
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    Melorie Valliere
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    Quote Originally Posted by Colorful View Post
    "This costume has an EXP bonus, so naturally it'll cost more."
    This one is my favorite.
    Honestly, I don't care for event items and services such as server transfer or even fantasia. They're bad, yes, but not as bad as the rest. I think that there's no way to deal with it. It'll get worse, because the players accept and even want it. Sadly, people think that Square Enix is some kind of saint, when in fact it's just a company. I appreciate their work, of course, since I play their games, but that doesn't mean that they are above all the other examples we see in the MMO market.
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    Sophia Aintree
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    Odin
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    Pugilist Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Colorful View Post
    I might sound a little pissy, but the moment someone mentioned it would get worse people would reject the idea and call it a slippery slope with no "proof" as we don't have the ability to look into the future. Well here we are, it got worse and people are still defending it. Maybe the community will finally break after they introduce level potion, as it did in WoW for a short period of time.
    Nah, the defense then will be "it's fine, it allows new players to catch up to current content" or something. They would defend anything SE does, it'll get to an absolutely disgusting point and they still would.

    I especially love the gullible fools who think the money from this stuff actually gets properly put back into this game... if only that was the case, if only.
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