FFXIV has some serious competition with WoW: Legion

[KeluBehemoth]

I play both. WoW I reactivate every now and then with the gold for subscriptions thing. After a month I am bored of Legion. It's very alt unfriendly with all the gating and artifacts. The story is laughably bad. The few new zones they created are super tiny and cramped. The world quests are neat, although they are just recycled leveling content. WoW does dunegeons nice with the multiple difficulties.

OP is comparing a game he has played regularly to a game he is playing again for the first time in 8 years. Of course everything is going to feel fresh in WoW.

Nothing about being fresh.

I can visit the 12 year old areas in WoW and its still more open and vast than in XIV. Theres still some feeling of going from point A to B. I could make the same comparrison with FFXI (but thats just way too extreme).

This isnt a WoW vs XIV thread.

This is a "Holy shit I just played another MMORPG besides XIV" and it has vast open landscapes that I can explore and actually have reason to explore.

I want to go and clean up Ice Crown citadel and make the Lich King my bitch? I get to enjoy a nice flight from Wyrmrest Temple for about 5 minutes while I physically fly to ICC to enter it or any other old content I wish to explore. Unlike... pop duty finder, undersized party. BAM.

I've actually spent more time running through old raids (and trying to solo some not quite as old ones also) than I actually even have in legion.

[Reynhart]

I can explore and actually have reason to explore.

What reason do you have to visit 12-year old zones ? Didn't you already finish everything you can have there ?

I want to go and clean up Ice Crown citadel and make the Lich King my bitch?

Yes, you can, but why ? You already killed him dozens of time, I guess, so what makes you still want to go there and do that besides "I just want to do it" ?

In XIV, each time you change job, you can roam past zones to do FATEs, to do levequest, to complete you bestiary, or do some quests that you may have left especially for alt jobs. Gathering is also a full system, with its proper endgame especially if you craft upon that. A craft system so complete you could actually only play crafters and still spend months into the game.

You can't purposely skip every reason to travel around the zones then saying there's no reason to do so.

[KeluBehemoth]

What reason do you have to visit 12-year old zones ? Didn't you already finish everything you can have there ?

Yes, you can, but why ? You already killed him dozens of time, I guess, so what makes you still want to go there and do that besides "I just want to do it" ?

In XIV, each time you change job, you can roam past zones to do FATEs, to do levequest, to complete you bestiary, or do some quests that you may have left especially for alt jobs. Gathering is also a full system, with its proper endgame especially if you craft upon that. A craft system so complete you could actually only play crafters and still spend months into the game.

You can't purposely skip every reason to travel around the zones then saying there's no reason to do so.

Because theres a ton of loot I never got that I want? Theres Transmogs (Glamour), achievements, personal achievements, mounts, legendary weapons.

What reward do FATEs and Levequests give? They're boring, their monetary rewards are trash and if I don't need the EXP their exp rewards are also trash. Also... even without the EXP, they're still trash. They're typically extremely boring quests "Kill this many of these within this tiny area".

As I said before. Why am I going to do things that are boring? I already said I craft and gather. I do it to make money sometimes. Other than that. Outside of doing my scrips sometimes, I don't do it. Because its really truly boring.

Like I said "Mom I'm bored" response "Go clean your room".

Seriously. You people need to take off the rose tinted glasses. I fucking love this game. I love Final Fantasy. But this game feels way too much like something I should be playing on my Cellphone and next Xpac I'm tossing it if it doesn't change. I've never ever quit an MMO because it was stale. I've walked away for a while to do other things but never really with intention. If things don't change next Xpac, I am gone and I know many. many, many others will be as well.

I really shouldn't expect any less though. These threads always get assaulted by white knights coming to defend the game. Its a pretty game with great combat and story but its content model is absolute shit.

[-Teria-]

Seriously. You people need to take off the rose tinted glasses. I fucking love this game. I love Final Fantasy. But this game feels way too much like something I should be playing on my Cellphone and next Xpac I'm tossing it if it doesn't change. I've never ever quit an MMO because it was stale. I've walked away for a while to do other things but never really with intention. If things don't change next Xpac, I am gone and I know many. many, many others will be as well.

Holy crap...All this repetition in one post. It reads like a Donald Trump speech.

I'll break it down for you.
What you're going through right now with FFXIV is called burnout. And now you have a shiny new thing. That's fine and dandy.
Go enjoy that shiny new thing.
And I'm not even saying this in a "Go to your other game if you don't like it here" way. I mean that in a "I've been in your shoes before" way.

You'd be surprised how many threads we get over on the WoW forums, almost daily now, of people in your exact position only with the games reversed. "WoW is stale now. Here's why FFXIV is better" sums it up.
The grass always looks greener on the other side.
You'll eventually get into a loop where you keep ping ponging back and fourth between the two games.

Hell, I'm enjoying FFXIV more right now because I took a break from it for about four months, where as WoW I've been going at it hard since Demon Invasions went live and now I'm getting tired of it.
It's a viscous cycle. One that won't be fixed by you coming onto this or any other forum to complain about it.

But, for real though, world quests can go die.

[Reynhart]

Because theres a ton of loot I never got that I want? Theres Transmogs (Glamour), achievements, personal achievements, mounts, legendary weapons.

Do you have every FATE achievements ? FATE minions ? Do you do old dungeons because they can have skins you love ? Do you do treasure hunts ? Do you do hunts ? Sightseeing logs ?

Like I said "Mom I'm bored" response "Go clean your room".

More like "Mom, I'm bored" response "Take this big Lego toy box and build something".

What you're saying basically is "There's no reason to roam around" and each time we give you something that actually asks you to roam around, you reply by "I find it boring".
It's like if you said, "There's only one job to play in this game...because I don't like everything but DRG"

[-Teria-]

As someone who's played WoW avidly since Burning Crusade, Legion was a massive breath of fresh air after the steaming turd that was Warlords of Draenor.
That said, it was a breath of fresh air. I'm already finding it incredibly stale.

I still log into WoW, don't get me wrong.
I still begrudgingly do my world quests in hopes that maybe, one day, a legendary will drop for me, while that guy that just hit 110 three days ago already has two of them. I
I just find it worrisome that after what...A month? I'm already feeling burned out on Legion. Warlords of Draenor didn't even do me in that quick.
Blizzard still has time to turn it around, and I hope they do. Competition is honestly healthy. If WoW does better, SE will be forced to step up their game. If FFXIV does better, Blizzard will be forced to up their game. It's a win-win for all parties involved. Having a monopoly on the MMO market leads to complacency, which leads to the product stagnating.

But holy crap, I am already sick to death of world quests.
Imagine if everything you did in FFXIV revolved around you spamming FATEs all day long when you're not doing something else, as that's the only effective way to progress your character. That's what Legion feels like right now. Spamming FATEs all day long. 3.4 was so well timed over here, because I really just needed to escape those flippin' world quests.

[Kaurie]

But holy crap, I am already sick to death of world quests.
Imagine if everything you did in FFXIV revolved around you spamming FATEs all day long when you're not doing something else, as that's the only effective way to progress your character. That's what Legion feels like right now. Spamming FATEs all day long. 3.4 was so well timed over here, because I really just needed to escape those flippin' world quests.

Conversely, I love World Quests - best thing I've seen in an MMO in awhile, and I hate FATEs, worst implementation of basically the same system across many games.

Let's not get ahead of ourselves. Blizzard finally did something that isn't utter garbage. Hurray. Let us wait first for their patch cycle before we begin discussing who should copy whom.

LOL, love the Hyperbole. Finally? Utter Garbage? You realize that Blizzard has the most successful MMO (and probably video game) of all time? That on top of their other list of highly rated games.

That aside, FFXIV is already copying WoW in patch 3.4. As we can see they took the most successful and widely liked feature of Warlords of Draenor - Garrison Missions - and implemented it in FFXIV!

[Balipu]

Conversely, I love World Quests - best thing I've seen in an MMO in awhile, and I hate FATEs, worst implementation of basically the same system across many games.

So it's a good thing you can go quests, guildhests, guildleves, potd, dungeons, trials, and raids instead of FATEs.

[Kaurie]

So it's a good thing you can go quests, guildhests, guildleves, potd, dungeons, trials, and raids instead of FATEs.

Well, I prefer FATEs to Guildhests and Guildleves, but yes you can do dungeons and raids instead of FATEs. You can do this in Legion too.

Oh, I loved them at first too.
I think it was around the 300 completed mark that I started having second thoughts.

Ah, I am at 454 completed as of now

[-Teria-]

Conversely, I love World Quests - best thing I've seen in an MMO in awhile, and I hate FATEs, worst implementation of basically the same system across many games.

Oh, I loved them at first too.
I think it was around the 300 completed mark that I started having second thoughts.