FFXIV has some serious competition with WoW: Legion

[Colorful]

Actually, it only sold half. Even if six million accounts is obviously inflation, that still means people bought the game. Legion's sales were 3.3 million. Anywho, I think she was being sarcasm.

Well shit, I must be going crazy then. I think I have it confused with Warlords of Draenor... :s Either way, still a very large amount for sales in the first 24 hours and certainly not dead, wouldn't be surprised if the sales were 5m+ now that word's gotten around that it's a decent expansion. I am surprised they managed to sell so much on day one considering Warlords and all though, but I guess people were willing to give it a 2nd chance.

[Reynhart]

You need content that makes Paladins stand out; those hard hitting mobs/bosses that make players say "Damn, I wish we brought a Paladin."

But what will you do if you end with WAR or DRK in a the Duty/Raid Finder ?
That's the problem with Yoshi-P's view of PLD. A tank can't focus on mitigation, since mitigation is the basis of the role, unless you really push it to the extreme. Make PLD sturdy enough that it doesn't need a healer, and suddenly, it will stand out. You can decrease its DPS to abysmal level as a tradeoff, but your party will have 5 DPS instead of 4 to compensate.

And frankly, DRK and PLD could have been close enough to each other without basically recycling Shield Oath and Rampart.
A suggestion I made a long time ago about DRK is to have its tank stance be a reactive leech. Each time you're hit, you reflect back 20% of the damage (Capped by DRK's HP max), and leech this amount as HP. Basically, you'd still only "suffers' 80% of the damage, like Shield Oath, but you'd have to stay high enough on HP so that the hit doesn't kill you before the leech effect procs. And it would also be your main source of damage, while your WS would focus on enmity generation and debufs.

Legion's sales were 3.3 million.

Isn't the WoW playerbase way higer than that ? Being an expansion, you would say that every active player would buy it, especially if WoW's expansion are not tied to each other and you can jump into Legion right from the start.

[Zojha]

Isn't the WoW playerbase way higer than that ?

It was speculated to be around 3,5 million at the end of Warlords. They stopped posting official numbers at 5,6 million at the start of Warlords.

There usually is a population spike at the start of an expansion, so...I'd have expected around 4-4,2 million sales.

[Altera]

If people find more enjoyment in WOW, than all the more power to them.

I played WOW from 2005 - 2011, and quit WOW due to it started to loose its heart and soul, and becoming too simplified and easy, and I actually quit WOW for XIV 1.0
How many times have BLizzard rewritten its WOW Lore to fit in with the new expansions? Lorewise, Legion is a joke and slap in the face in my opinion. I guess Deathwing really did manage to kill off Azeroth, for me at least hehe

[Awful]

I play both games, like both games, none are superior to each other I just like a bunch of aspects from each game and hope that they'll learn something from each other.

For example WoW has Mythic Dungeons+ where you get a modifier to change the difficulty for the enemies inside, for example when a mob reaches 30% it enrages same with all mobs/bosses. It adds variety to the dungeons and I wish FF XIV had something like this in the form of Savage Dungeons to provide people with a 4 man dungeon LS/FC as the rewards in WoW can be on par with raid drops or can roll better and higher in ilvl.

I personally enjoy the classes in FF XIV compared to WoW I know it's a bold statement but it's just what I prefer it's probably because FF XIV is more alt friendly compared to Legion as if you're behind on artifact power for your weapon you're basically screwed at this point in the xpac, or you're farming a ton of artifact power to only find out your friends are higher lvl then you.

World quests are enjoyable until you do them everyday over and over and get the same ilvl 800 blue, gold or garrison resources, i'm glad it adds world flavor something I love in MMOs which is why I wish FF XIV had more world stuff to do besides FATEs. World quests are a blessing and a curse as 3 of my friends on another server have 3 legendaries 1 for each person and they've played 2 weeks where i've grinded my ass off, did the raids and get nothing it's frustrating as all hell.

I prefer the trials compared to the boss fights in Legion as well, now don't take this as FF XIV's bosses are superior no they're not the trials and Midas + Creator are prime examples how much fun i've had in this game. I do enjoy the Emerald Nightmare but the bosses are just well...forgettable FF XIV makes me remember them especially Titan EX and Seph EX like holy shit those are prime examples of fights done right even the new trial Sophia is tons of fun with uniqueness.

As for stats yeah no competition WoW has better stats mastery being notable as it changes depending on spec and adds flavor to your class that you play for example mastery for demon hunter tanks adds more mitigation and attack power based on mastery it's bloody brilliant. As for FF XIV we only have Crit, Det, Sks, Sps, Parry, which don't offer as much as say mastery or haste in WoW. Gear upgrades in WoW feel more rewarding too I remember doing a heroic and getting an ilvl 850 trinket out of there my first week and was amazed that I got it whereas getting a gear upgrade in FF XIV is just like well it is an upgrade but I don't really feel it at all because of the stats (if you're going for the right ones that is) you'll barely feel a difference.

Gonna tie these both in together the battle system and music I enjoy a lot more then WoW yeah 2.5 GCD is notably different but it works well with the combos and OGCDs for WoW I just spam my 1-2-3 and my mitigation ability as I play tank as well as my other 2 OGCD abilities. It works but it's simplified to the point where a 5 year old can do it, compared to FF XIV to perfect your class albeit tank, healer, DPS pushing your class to the limit is much more rewarding then in WoW where based on spec, nerfs, patches etc your class can reign supreme but in FF XIV knowing your class inside and out and being a good player is much better in my opinion.

Anyways those are the points that stood out to me from a long time vanilla WoW player and a 2.0 FF XIV player I enjoy both and i'll continue to play both it's what I truly enjoy.

[loreleidiangelo]

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I don't agree with all of your points of view, but I did want to at least remark that it was nice to see feedback on Legion from someone who obviously gave it a fair chance. Have my Like.

[Awful]

I don't agree with all of your points of view, but I did want to at least remark that it was nice to see feedback on Legion from someone who obviously gave it a fair chance. Have my Like.

It's alright everyone's entitled to their own opinions and these are just mine I'd be interested in what you have to say can never get too many perspectives! Besides it gives me more brainstorming ideas as well haha.

[Welsper59]

It's alright everyone's entitled to their own opinions and these are just mine I'd be interested in what you have to say can never get too many perspectives! Besides it gives me more brainstorming ideas as well haha.

I personally (mostly) agree with your outlook on world quests. It's kinda boring in the long run to do. I do however love Suramar, including doing the world quests. It's probably the best zone I have experienced in WoW for many years. I've been prioritizing it almost daily. Having its own frequently expendable currency adds quite a lot of value to the zone too, IMO.

It's just such an intriguing zone, thanks to the numerous zone mechanics and atmosphere. The Su'esh one is such a fun world quest to do, even after doing it a bunch of times. Quick and easy, yet fun to just wreck havoc. Those portals scattered about the zone are such a great thing to have. Just wish the Withered Army world quest would either regen a couple appropriately rewarding 5/10 unit cost chests or do something about the lack of them once you've collected them all.