Why is Yoshi P turning his back on the playerbase that loves this game the most?

[Reynhart]

the catch up mechanics help us bridge the time we missed so we stay relevant.

What does it even mean ? "Relevant" compared to what ?

This game has automatic level sync in instances, so you can always play with a friend higher than you, cross-server Duty Finder and Trial Roulette to always find someone who does the duty you want...your progression can never be blocked. Why do you want to "catch-up" when all it does is making you burn the content faster than ancient players did ?

As for the optionnal content, like Coil, Crystal Tower or EX Primals, if you don't do them when they're new, you're basically screwed as long that they're not in any repeatable quests or Roulettes.

While back in 2.x it was easy to get a light farm party for garuda and use the light tracking sites to identify the best content for light, nowadays you might be the only one at this stage right now. 30 kills Garuda within an hour? Possible back then, impossible nowadays (without unsynch), just because you never get 8 players who want to kill her 30 times in a row.

Ifrit normal mode, unsynced, 17sec solo kill at level 60. Having a Zeta nowadays is extremely fast.

[Neophyte]

Ifrit normal mode, unsynced, 17sec solo kill at level 60. Having a Zeta nowadays is extremely fast.

ltr

No nerfs means also "no drops or light while unsynch".

He said, "Third relic chapter can be that you must have acheived both a zeta and an anima to continue no exceptions no handouts no nothing do it like everyone else."

No Exceptions, no Handouts, no Nothing, do it like everyone else = No unsynched light farming or dungeons drops.

To make it more clear: He wants a new Player in 4.0 to play at least 500-2000h for the 2.x relic and another 500-2000h for the 3.x relic just to be able to attempt the 4.x relic stage.
Because such things will safe the game. Lel.

[Maleficent]

What does it even mean ? "Relevant" compared to what ?

This game has automatic level sync in instances, so you can always play with a friend higher than you, cross-server Duty Finder and Trial Roulette to always find someone who does the duty you want...your progression can never be blocked. Why do you want to "catch-up" when all it does is making you burn the content faster than ancient players did ?

As for the optionnal content, like Coil, Crystal Tower or EX Primals, if you don't do them when they're new, you're basically screwed as long that they're not in any repeatable quests or Roulettes.

That's a fair question! I think relevance is trying not to be a burden or being unable to participate when your gear is outdated or below required ilevel. For the relic for example, if I had to have taken a hiatus due to work, I'd at least be able to catch up to participate in the current stage when it's out instead of always being x days behind. I've been lucky to have been able to always do the relic when it was new but I'd have hesitated to embark on it otherwise. It was like attunement in WoW. I missed the rounds due to work (for about 5 weeks), and found I had to go through all the hoops to even catch up. FFXIV is much more accessible. Same with gearing alts. I just barely gear my main within the patch season with my play time.

On the point, "burn the content faster than ancient players did", I don't see a problem for others to come up to speed with my relic faster than when I did and I've always managed to do it fresh. They doing it faster doesn't invalidate what I did nor I don't see why it should bother me. In fact, it'd be more fun if more folks are able to catch up and do the current relic stuff. I'm not bothered by those who just do it during catch up and stop there waiting for the next. It certainly doesn't take anything away from me.

On coil and old content, I think the 'fluff' as some people call it, allows it old content to still be run so it's not so bad. At least on my server. I apologise I might not fully experience what is the case on other servers and can only speak for my own experience.

[Reynhart]

No Exceptions, no Handouts, no Nothing, do it like everyone else = No unsynched light farming or dungeons drops.

I don't really understand it that way. Nerfing something is different from it being naturally easier as time goes by.

For example, in Coil T1, Caduceus hit really hard when you were a fresh ilvl70. But if you go there with ilvl 130, suddenly, you can brush off most of his attacks, even if the attack on itself has not been nerfed. A Duty should always give lights even when unsynced since maps always give light.

There's no reason to nerf the Relic weapons, because the whole concept for it is to take time. When the relic is not relevant anymore, those who still want it will take the time to do it. Those who don't will have other weapons to equip.

The only nerf which I find justifiable is reducing the RNG aspect of some parts.

I think relevance is trying not to be a burden or being unable to participate when your gear is outdated or below required ilevel.

If you started the game at HW and joined a Legacy FC, do you feel like a burden by not being level 50 right from the start ? Do you feel like a burden by having to do (and hopefully enjoy) the story content before entering Ishgard ?

Like I said earlier, non-RNG relic steps are easier to be done as time passes, so it's not really an issue, especially since the relic is mostly a solo achievement and you have plenty of weapons to use for group content while you still do your weapon at your own pace.

On the point, "burn the content faster than ancient players did", I don't see a problem for others to come up to speed with my relic faster than when I did and I've always managed to do it fresh.

I didn't say that to point new players having less work to do than ancient ones, but new players not being able to enjoy the content. Having an official "catch-up cycle" is like saying "You're late, now move your ass !".
It's like all those people asking you to skip cutscenes in story dungeons. As long as you can progress by small increments (Which is a good thing for casuals players, i.e. players who can't play several hours a day, and no bad players), it's not really that important to be "behind" hardcore players.
In fact, I feel hardcore players would be more welcoming to casuals if the catching-up cycle didn't give them the feeling of their dedication being denied.

On coil and old content, I think the 'fluff' as some people call it, allows it old content to still be run so it's not so bad. At least on my server. I apologise I might not fully experience what is the case on other servers and can only speak for my own experience.

That's what Relics are for, and why I think it's a clever idea to reuse old content for them. It's also why Wondrous Tails is a nice addition.
Doing the same content in a different mindset is sometimes enough to make it feel fresh-er.

[Velhart]

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The system is not broken. Does it need improvements? Yes. Is the core foundation of the game broken? No. Horizontal is not a solution, you are just switching a system that has pro's and con's for a system that has pro's and con's. Difference is, the con's of horizontal are more severe on a player than vertical's is due to hardships of catching up if you are a newer player.

You are really letting your ass speak in your behalf. Yoshi-P turning back on fans? How? he promised to completely recreate the game from the ground up, give you a free copy of the game along with Legacy status which gave you some perks even in the story line, a permanent discount on your subscription. He delivered on his promise to the fans in bringing a successful game. Please show me where he promised to keep everything in 1.0 and just convert it to a new engine. Please show me where he said, "We owe something to our FFXI players who have been with us forever ago now."

They did say this would be a new game and delivered on that. You make a bunch of baseless assumptions just for the sake of making arguments. The team owes you absolutely nothing as a FFXI player, and they have already given you a lot for being a legacy player in 1.0. Their decision to make the game more streamlined brought more people in and it still retains itself as the 2nd highest (and successful) sub based MMO out there. You can't make an assumption the community is in shreds because you and your friends may not be having fun. There are still plenty of people on a day doing content at their own pace.

Did you also take time to think of why WoW's system was brought to this game? Because it is a successful formula that does a good job in concept itself of balancing casual, midcore, and hardcore play. Which is what you should do to have a game that appeals to a mass audience and not a small niche group of players. FFXIV may have a harder time balancing this concept out, but it is in no means broken at all. The casual market needs to be catered to. I would argue that casual content needs a slight bit more challenge, but they are the ones keeping things afloat.

tl;dr - Stop making baseless assumptions about the state of the game based on your own personal feelings towards it. SE owes nothing to you as a FFXI player and has already given you plenty of perks from being a 1.0 player.

[FizzleofHyperion]

Velhart: When you have finished brownnosing Yoshi P assuming SE and Yoshi - P will come to you with a medal then you might understand

Do you honestly think I'm alone feeling like this? People agree with me many of them beeing the hardcore fans. Just because you don't seem to agree with me stop acting like you think everything is perfect and not broken. You ALWAYS do this if you don't want to contribute to the topic then try to not post for the sake of it. People agree we feel its broken as much as you feel we shouldn't say its broken seriously who are you to tell us what is broken and isnt? I can shove the same arguement back at you.

You either don't understand the value and respect of the amount of people who kept this game alive with double subs or you are just beeing naive and is just gonna play the tough luck go play something else. What part of this game would not even exist without thoese subscribers from 1.0 who where told to have double subs don't you understand?

I'm done wasting energy on you again as usual.


To Malificent: There are so many players on Ragnarok where my main is aswell as on Hyperion where my irl friend plays that have daily jobs and families but still find time to grind in FFXIV. I don't think that is a valid arguement if you want to have something as your hobby honestly.

Neophyte: Do it like everyone else means you gotta acheive it the same way. You can still do it unsynced but you shouldnt get a huge nerf. Example is doing it the same with the tomes needed to buy things etc. Stop intentionally nitpicking I will gladly explain into details if you intentionally want to find a flaw with everything as if we are in a trial.
If you want the new relic with 4.0 you need to have one zeta and one anima complete if not then go back and grind. I think its pretty possible to go back and grind as ilvl 300? If you still find a reason to complain about something like that you are just lazy. the conditions should be the same the actually ilvl doesnt really matter. If you need 5 ather oils for 1800 tomes each that should never change meaning get 1800 tomes and get the relic the same way like everyone else. Why should you get a handout? Why do you think you are someone that should get stuff for half the time invested and effort as others because you pay for a sub? Because something is outdated?
Now this is an example for 1 thing. You are behaving like a whole community will die and quit the game because they don't want to invest time for a relic? Now you are just exagerating. That would not kill the game its the opposite it will make certain things in the game feel rewarding and value and what can distant you from someone else for putting more time in than someone else.
Why should someone who loves this game so much that he plays it more than someone else get the short end of the stick? Whats next you want someone that works 8h per day have the same paycheck as someone that works 10-14 per day?

[Reynhart]

You either don't understand the value and respect of the amount of people who kept this game alive with double subs or you are just beeing naive and is just gonna play the tough luck go play something else. What part of this game would not even exist without thoese subscribers from 1.0 who where told to have double subs don't you understand?

The problem is that neither Velhart nor you can claim to be part of the main opinion about the game. So your topic started bad, whatever legit concern you voiced. Especially since the Legacy population is clearly a minority by numbers alone.

And, as I stated several page before, legacy player already have their rewards.

I am concerned by the game's future as you are, but our opinion has no more weight than any other on this thread.

[FizzleofHyperion]

Reynhart: I'm not. I'm speaking for the people I am intouch with from reddit facebook FFXIV groups and other sources who feel that they have just given up on sharing their opinions because its not going to happen. This topic is not for the people who think everything is so perfect with this game thats why I don't understand why people like Velhart are even here trying to justify things.
I don't have solutions I'm not a game developer and neither is Velhart. There is a reason for voicing an opinion here. There is a chunk of the community that feel let down. The legacy population that is now a minority used be a majority never forget that. That is why the situation is like it is. They got overshadowed by the community, me and others are refering to in this thread on top of that FFXIV exist on the behalf of the 1.0 subscriptions and the FFXI subscribers who followed Yoshi P's plea from almost 4 years ago wich we wont have evidence for anymore becaues the 1.0 forums are removed.

About rewards for so called legacy players doesnt do alot because it has nothing to do with the actual gameplay just some useless items that have been pretty much handed out to other players in different forms example the gobbue mount without the carpet LOL.
We can go on about that later on.

The way the game is going now it will just kill itself you know this I know this aswell Reynhart maybe not for Velhart cause its flawless but for the rest of us we see the problems.

[Musashidon]

The way the game is going now it will just kill itself you know this I know this aswell Reynhart maybe not for Velhart cause its flawless but for the rest of us we see the problems.

can i have your time machine? i would like to see what ff16 is going to be like and find out the next winning lotto numbers.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Reynhart: They got overshadowed by the community, me and others are refering to in this thread on top of that FFXIV exist on the behalf of the 1.0 subscriptions and the FFXI subscribers who followed Yoshi P's plea from almost 4 years ago wich we wont have evidence for anymore becaues the 1.0 forums are removed.

About rewards for so called legacy players doesnt do alot because it has nothing to do with the actual gameplay just some useless items that have been pretty much handed out to other players in different forms example the gobbue mount without the carpet LOL.
We can go on about that later on.

The way the game is going now it will just kill itself you know this I know this aswell Reynhart maybe not for Velhart cause its flawless but for the rest of us we see the problems.

1.0 forums are archived http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/f...English-Forums

And you don't speak on behalf of all 1.0 or legacy players. I for one, am happy with the game post 2.0

And you claim to have been as player during 1.0, but if you were active, you would use that forum account with its 1.x join date vs one from 2015. You sure do like hiding behind that alt account for some reason.