RIP WHM

[Alistaire]

the only thing I'm upset about is how blatantly obvious it is that square has literally actually zero idea about what makes scholar good. what they really ought to do is trash noct all together and just work on balancing durinal and whm instead of chasing around the scholar that they will never ever catch up to.

Completely disagree. Regardless of how SCH does what it does it all boils down to how much healing they can do, how much dps they can do, whether or not its their own dps or raid dps thru buffs.

These changes don't make noct AST a SCH; it makes these things add up to what SCH provides (or at least that's the goal; we'll see if these buffs accomplish this in practical situations). Better shields means more free time to dps the same way a fairy helps in that respect, and better buffs makes up for their own lesser dps.

[Velthice]

Completely disagree. Regardless of how SCH does what it does it all boils down to how much healing they can do, how much dps they can do, whether or not its their own dps or raid dps thru buffs.

These changes don't make noct AST a SCH; it makes these things add up to what SCH provides (or at least that's the goal; we'll see if these buffs accomplish this in practical situations). Better shields means more free time to dps the same way a fairy helps in that respect, and better buffs makes up for their own lesser dps.

you can disagree, but you're wrong. shields absolutely do not make up for a fairy, that isn't even debatable. both the fairies are utility powerhouses that do so much more than cast embrace. indom is a stupid powerful ogcd and astro doesn't have an answer to it in either stance and then of course there's the glaring fact that not only do scholars have an easier time dpsing, they can dps forever because they have mana positive dps. that means they can stop whenever at any point in the fight, no matter how long, and be in excellent shape to do any healing or raising that needs done.

noct astro would make an absolutely fine main healer, maybe better than durinal, but that's almost never going to be an option because astro shields will overwrite scholar shields regardless of if they're better or not. It's a bad stance, and unless we get a bunch of diverse healers that can fill the off healer role like scholar can, it's always going to be a bad stance. the only real benefit of the noct sect changes is that it's no longer a red flag to abandon a dungeon immediately when you see an astro spawn in with it on