RIP WHM

[Lulu89]

WHM is still #1 at both Hot heals and Aoe heals.. So no.. Nice try ^^

[Elspeth]

Why would we? Scholar is not just about adlo and succor.
He have a fairy and her buff, we have Aetherflow stack and strong instant heal (indom,lustrate), eye for an eye, deploiement tactic, a lot of dot, energy drain to get some more mana...
It's a different gameplay. We don't have the same skills. And it's the same for WHM.

Sorry, I probably should clarify. I wasnt saying SCHs should be crying over it, or that succor and adlo is all they do. (im a sch myself) my point was mainly that WHM is far from dead IMO. I agree that any healer combo will work, and hopefully itll let ASTs get to use thier other stance. Sorry for the confusion

[Rawrz]

WHM is still #1 at both Hot heals and Aoe heals.. So no.. Nice try ^^

Utility is what threatens WHM. Healing can always be met by the other healers.

[KDSilver]

No, don't worry, there was no confusion.
I understood why you said that.

I was only arguing precisely why scholar 'don't cry' about this Noct.Ast buff. ^^

[loreleidiangelo]

Utility is what threatens WHM. Healing can always be met by the other healers.

Mostly "utility" along FFXIV lines is "ability to DPS" or "ability to buff group's DPS", sadly, but this is pretty much the right of it. They can't design content around requiring a WHM's maximum output of healing, and that's the only real thing it has going for it ATM. In an ideal world, a WHM would just make things "easier", but when we're talking about groups at the max level of play pretty much all of them will be able to slot a DiAST in as a the main heal role, and when they do that, that WILL have a trickle-down effect into more casual/midcore statics, just like when AST and MCH were being excluded from content during 3.1.

[Alistaire]

Fixed.
Hello fflogs.

Patch 3.4 notes:

Alexander (Savage)


Alexander (Savage) can only be accessed via the Raid Finder.
* Item level restrictions do not apply when registering as a full party.

Level Requirement
Disciple of War or Magic level 60
(Two or more of the same job is not permitted)

[Coltvoyance]

Honestly, as someone who used to main WHM, and now mains PLD, I can understand where people come from on WHM being "Dead". I too, felt threatened by AST, but more than that, it's the fact that WHM was no longer unique...

When it comes to threads like this, the OP arent complaining so much about other classes being buffed as WHM continually being "Not Special". AST has cards, SCH, has its pets, WHM has....

Many parallel WHM with PLD in its reliability, but even PLD has a shield to make it feel special. WHM just has "slightly better heals... kinda", and that's not very rewarding to a lot of players.

Square could do a lot of things to make WHM stand out again, perhaps give it more surviveability? Bring back Wands and Healer shields for WHM. Make them useful and effective; a healer that can spend more time healing others because it doesnt have to worry about healing itself kind of thing. Or perhaps enhance WHM Resurrection capabilities by negating/reducing Weakness - building on its current moniker of a "Learning/Forgiveness/Safety" Party Healer. There are likely much better ideas, but these are just off the top of my head.

White Mages just want to be able to do something other healers can't; they want to bring something to the table that others aren't capable of. Every other class has their own gimmick that makes them special/unique, what does White Mage have?

[winsock]

Cure III, Assize, Asylum, Benediction.
It's like some people in this thread forgot that these skills still exist and are the reason why WHM remains a superior healer able to answer to more situations than the AST.

Assize is fantastic.
Cure III is seeing quite a bit of action in HW and is a very welcome skill.

But ill need to disagree with the other 2.

Benediction is the worst insta-heal. Once the potency is large enough for a save, its all about the accessibility. Benediction is easily outclassed by ED and lustrate, and I'd rather have CU or SS over Asylum.

At the end of the day though most WHM skills and the playstyle are very similar. Stat differences are the biggest thing separating the two, and this has even been acknowledged by the devs back when AST was terrible:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post3128545

Q16. In regards to the effect of Protect and Stoneskin, can you add some type of advantage, similar to pre-patch 3.0, for white mages?

A16. As I mentioned previously, we made adjustments to actions that were largely based on stat percentages, and due to this the identity of each job was lost when using these abilities as additional actions. I apologize for this.

However, to compensate for this, we've added in a great deal of healing power.

As AST gets buffed, that "great deal of healing power" becomes a little less great, and the WHM identity, a little more lost.

[KDSilver]

what does White Mage have?

The great abilities to whine every time Astrologian get buffed.
And it's annoying.

Nocturnal Ast can shield better than scholar, scholar don't cry.
Diurnal Ast can put regen, Whm cry because this and that.

We'll end up being tired of repeting again and again what WHM have the other don't.

Things are good as they are now.
Play your whm and stop feeling threatened for nothing.

[Coltvoyance]

The great abilities to whine every time Astrologian get buffed.
And it's annoying.

Nocturnal Ast can shield better than scholar, scholar don't cry.
Diurnal Ast can put regen, Whm cry because this and that.

We'll end up being tired of repeting again and again what WHM have the other don't.

Things are good as they are now.
Play your whm and stop feeling threatened for nothing.

I... don't think you read my post at all, but thanks for your constructive contribution?