RIP WHM

[basketofseals]

ASTs just shit all over Divine Seal now though with 30 second Synastry, not to mention absolutely disgusting MP regeneration and mobility healing. And all the extra HPS output WHM has doesn't count the fact there's only so much HPS in a given fight to do, and that the devs have already confirmed this tier of raid being easier than Gordias or Midas. Unless their way of making things easier is making constant and spike AoE damage that a AST and SCH can't handle with Indomitability, Emergency, Light speed and Whispering Dawn, I don't see how WHM can't compete with the sheer quantity of utility and mitigation an AST/SCH composition will bring.

Divine Seal also comes up much quicker and is better for AoE healing, which as the main healer, is probably a good point.

Also just because a fight is easier doesn't necessarily mean the damage level will go down sharply. It can also mean more lax mechanics via less instant wipe or laxer dps checks.

[winsock]

Cure III, Assize, Asylum, Benediction.
It's like some people in this thread forgot that these skills still exist and are the reason why WHM remains a superior healer able to answer to more situations than the AST.

Assize is fantastic.
Cure III is seeing quite a bit of action in HW and is a very welcome skill.

But ill need to disagree with the other 2.

Benediction is the worst insta-heal. Once the potency is large enough for a save, its all about the accessibility. Benediction is easily outclassed by ED and lustrate, and I'd rather have CU or SS over Asylum.

At the end of the day though most WHM skills and the playstyle are very similar. Stat differences are the biggest thing separating the two, and this has even been acknowledged by the devs back when AST was terrible:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post3128545

Q16. In regards to the effect of Protect and Stoneskin, can you add some type of advantage, similar to pre-patch 3.0, for white mages?

A16. As I mentioned previously, we made adjustments to actions that were largely based on stat percentages, and due to this the identity of each job was lost when using these abilities as additional actions. I apologize for this.

However, to compensate for this, we've added in a great deal of healing power.

As AST gets buffed, that "great deal of healing power" becomes a little less great, and the WHM identity, a little more lost.

[CookieMonsta]

Well with the new changes to AST why would any party with a WHM.

AST "Here have 30+ seconds of raging strikes!"

WHM "Medica II!"


RIP

Lol see the content first before judging. People also forget AST has and will always have the same issue, the cards are useless unless you draw them just when you need them.

[Teraluna]

RIP whm?
Requested In Parties

Whenever a class gets buffed, be it tank, dps or whatever, there's always an over reaction on classes of the same role.
Let's see how the Astro performs for a while with these changes. It's best performance is still reliant on right card right time.

Generally for those people who like healers it's not a big deal, as they're likely to have played all three.
Will be interesting to try the different healer combinations, and see how Noct performs in particular.

[Lastelli]

lol I've read this silly "rip whm" thing way too many times on this forum. People just like to overreact.

[Coltvoyance]

Honestly, as someone who used to main WHM, and now mains PLD, I can understand where people come from on WHM being "Dead". I too, felt threatened by AST, but more than that, it's the fact that WHM was no longer unique...

When it comes to threads like this, the OP arent complaining so much about other classes being buffed as WHM continually being "Not Special". AST has cards, SCH, has its pets, WHM has....

Many parallel WHM with PLD in its reliability, but even PLD has a shield to make it feel special. WHM just has "slightly better heals... kinda", and that's not very rewarding to a lot of players.

Square could do a lot of things to make WHM stand out again, perhaps give it more surviveability? Bring back Wands and Healer shields for WHM. Make them useful and effective; a healer that can spend more time healing others because it doesnt have to worry about healing itself kind of thing. Or perhaps enhance WHM Resurrection capabilities by negating/reducing Weakness - building on its current moniker of a "Learning/Forgiveness/Safety" Party Healer. There are likely much better ideas, but these are just off the top of my head.

White Mages just want to be able to do something other healers can't; they want to bring something to the table that others aren't capable of. Every other class has their own gimmick that makes them special/unique, what does White Mage have?

[KDSilver]

what does White Mage have?

The great abilities to whine every time Astrologian get buffed.
And it's annoying.

Nocturnal Ast can shield better than scholar, scholar don't cry.
Diurnal Ast can put regen, Whm cry because this and that.

We'll end up being tired of repeting again and again what WHM have the other don't.

Things are good as they are now.
Play your whm and stop feeling threatened for nothing.

[Coltvoyance]

The great abilities to whine every time Astrologian get buffed.
And it's annoying.

Nocturnal Ast can shield better than scholar, scholar don't cry.
Diurnal Ast can put regen, Whm cry because this and that.

We'll end up being tired of repeting again and again what WHM have the other don't.

Things are good as they are now.
Play your whm and stop feeling threatened for nothing.

I... don't think you read my post at all, but thanks for your constructive contribution?

[Kabzy]

The great abilities to whine every time Astrologian get buffed.
And it's annoying.

Nocturnal Ast can shield better than scholar, scholar don't cry.
Diurnal Ast can put regen, Whm cry because this and that.

You pretty much contradicted yourself here. Earlier you made a post stating the exact reasons why Scholars do not cry about shields. It's because our gameplay comes from a combination of the fairie, mitigation and DoTs.

White Mage, on the other hand, does not really have anything else going for it. So when a competing job gets buffed, they have every right to be worried. For the billionth time, it is not advantageous to have extra healing power when the game simply does not require it.

Everything can be made viable, but there is no doubt that d.AST/SCH is going to be the best composition in 3.4.

[Tint]

i think at this point they can WHM give the proshell exclusiveness and the 18% stoneskin back. SCH has anywy a mdef buff (from eos) and supervirus. and AST also has enough defense tools even when not in shield stance (and AST + AST is the only way there is no mdef buff available, so who cares xD).