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    gumas's Avatar
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    Rawon Special
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    Tonberry
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    Bard Lv 100
    Now that nocturnal is buffed, is there a fight/boss/dungeon where nocturnal is more favorable than diurnal?

    The only one i can think is boss/primal that aoe heavy, like every primal doing thiat 1 aoe before the BGM change phase or nidhog with its several aoe blast phase... Cant think the rest lf it lol
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    Ebi Frye
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    Ragnarok
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    Fisher Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by gumas View Post
    Now that nocturnal is buffed, is there a fight/boss/dungeon where nocturnal is more favorable than diurnal?

    The only one i can think is boss/primal that aoe heavy, like every primal doing thiat 1 aoe before the BGM change phase or nidhog with its several aoe blast phase... Cant think the rest lf it lol
    Honestly having someone capable of shielding is very beneficial in raid content unless the content you're running is trivial or you overgear it. Our ST shield being instant and efficient makes it pretty great to snipe heal someone who just took unexpected damage, too.

    I'd personally use Nocturnal when paired with a WHM in 100% of the new content as stuff like preys is extremely common in this patch's fights, and damage can get pretty high given that we're at relatively low gear levels again.

    For solo healing and dungeons, you'll probably want to stick to Diurnal unless you can outright deny mechanics by shielding them like in Hullbreaker HM.
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    Rawon Special
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    Tonberry
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    Bard Lv 100
    Yeah thanks to Nocturnal buff, iam pretty much switch to it if iam paired with whm, the regen from whm and shield from my noc really make a good combo. For standard duty finder? Diurnal all the way for now
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    Susubi Subi
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    Phoenix
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    Astrologian Lv 90
    I feel that our stat priority have changed a lot now

    Seems it be Mind > piety >spell speed > crit /det

    Our benefit 2 proc makes crit less needed and spell speed more needed as u want to cast as much as possible whilst holding the benefit 2 proc

    Also the more benefit 1 u get out the more likely u will get the proc for a 100% garentee crit with this we be able to dance more in cleric stance when we have the proc

    I think this devalues crit by a lot and values spell speed more especially in noct stance and since we dont get 2x shield on barrier on crits

    So for me im focus on pie/speed/ and accuracy melds also will change my relic stats to accuracy and speed or pie/speed depending on the new caps

    But i would need a thoery crafter for this so can someone check plz want to know of benefit 2 proc devalues crit by alot and of spell speed gives more procs
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    Knot Destroyer
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    Asura
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    Scholar Lv 100
    Even with the buff, I still prefer with SCH because AST always makes me busy to shield tank before pull.
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    Player Rennies's Avatar
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    Keisero Starborn
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    Faerie
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    Astrologian Lv 90
    Crit hasn't been devalued at all with these changes, in fact I think the value went up. Crit increases crit potency as well as chance. Also, CO's extension now gives 3 to 4 extra HoT ticks, which are 3-4 extra chances for a higher healing bonus.

    I will never stack Det on a healer, apparently the scaling is too low to ever make a realistic difference. Crit can make a difference.
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    Beato Ushiromiya
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    Balmung
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    Scholar Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Rennies View Post
    Crit hasn't been devalued at all with these changes, in fact I think the value went up. Crit increases crit potency as well as chance. Also, CO's extension now gives 3 to 4 extra HoT ticks, which are 3-4 extra chances for a higher healing bonus.

    I will never stack Det on a healer, apparently the scaling is too low to ever make a realistic difference. Crit can make a difference.
    Yea I agree with you, Crit in general is just better than det, but you will notice a boost if you have high det (gear with crit AND det).
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    Purple Rain
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    Sophia
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    Arcanist Lv 32
    Crit is the strongest secondary stat for AST, as it was before this patch as well, now it just got even boosted because of the proc change. Determination is likely to be a bigger increase for AST and WHM than Spellspeed (at least Det boosts WHM regens more than SS). I wrote about the stats in detail in this post.

    So Crit is definitely the most important sub stat for AST, then probably Det > SS. And of course amount of Pie you'll need for a comfortable amount of MP (since I don't do any difficult content on AST I won't comment on that) and perhaps ACC for raid DPS.
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    Xoria Tepes
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    Cactuar
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    White Mage Lv 90
    I'm still a little unhappy that AST got buffed so much. They were really unnecessary.
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    9.23.2019 [11:15 p.m.]Total Play Time: 1552 days, 0 hours, 0 minutes - You'll be hard-pressed to find a more cynical person than me.
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    Player Rennies's Avatar
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    Keisero Starborn
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    Faerie
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    Astrologian Lv 90
    I beg to differ. They were the perfect reward for those who stuck through the job when it was at its worst.

    White mages still have fat healing, diverse healing, and ridiculously strong AoE. Scholars are still Scholars.
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