The Influence of Levels on Actions and Cross Class Skills

[TinnySnips]

Actually Tinny, well done. This does seem to cover it quite nicely. Thanks, I didn't put 2+2+2 together this time.

Thank you. I think the confusion is coming from the fact that an example was provide for abilities scaling down, but there was no example provided for abilities scaling up.

[Shneibel]

are they getting rid of cure 1 2 3 in favor aslo. if so does that mean that a lvl 50 dow can get cure and then use it at lvl 50 power.

they can but not effective if you understand my point, and now we know that the MP of cure at lvl 50 will be same or more than cure III so DoW dont get much from it either as the amount isnt great and mp consume will be to much.

From what I see, the system still allow ppl to use w/e skill they want from other class but less effective as the new system will involve a lot with the trail. A exampler CNJ trail can give reduce mp on cure skill, more mp, more dmg on skill etc.

note: this is what I think about the system so it is not 100% accurate so please dont take it serious and flame me

[WiiSam]

I don't have the answer to the question, the developers do. They posted the answer already. It is stated quite clearly in the text, but I will post the relevant bits here to show you that I'm not speculating.

Under Section 1. Class-Specific Actions


Under Section 4. Setting Actions and Traits


Under Section 5. The Influence of Levels on Actions


Those 3 bits answer the question quite thoroughly, along with answering the followup question, "Won't that make a Gladiator Cure at level 50 just as good as a Conjurer Cure at level 50?" (The answer to which is a resounding no). Please refrain from accusing me of making assumptions. I will engage in speculation from time to time, but when I do, I will not state it as a fact. The only assumption that I have made is that the information contained in Triairy's post is accurate.

Tinny I understand what you're saying but you're directing your information at a completely different question. This is not the answer to my question, whether it be fact or assumption.

I never asked if my R50 GLAs Cure will be as effective as a R50 Cons Cure if my con is only lvl 4.

I am asking: Does it make a difference in potency for my Cure on my R50 GLA whether my Con is R4, 14, 24, 34, 44, or 50. This is the question. And nothing in the dev notes answers it.

This is the second time I am asking us to carefully analyze the question and not go off on tangents.

[WiiSam]

Well they already explain how it will scale down. I assume that in the case of equipping an ability from a lower leveled class onto your higher leveled class(IE lvl.4 Cure on your lvl.50 GLD), the ability will probably remain as if it were at lvl.4 effectiveness, being as how its base class(Conjurer) is still just at lvl.4. Were you to raise Conjurer to higher levels, Cure would eventually become more effective even after cross-classing.

@Tinny, Malakhim seems to disagree with you. See how there are two sides now? The devs need to clarify which one is FACT.

[Orophin]

I am asking: Does it make a difference in potency for my Cure on my R50 GLA whether my Con is R4, 14, 24, 34, 44, or 50. This is the question. And nothing in the dev notes answers it.

As mentioned under 1. Class-specific Actions, upper tier actions will be abolished in favor of scaling the potency of the base action according to level. The effectiveness and MP cost of the action will be dependent upon the level of your current class.

In my eyes that means you can simply learn the skill at the minimum level and set it on your level 50 and you'll cast it at the potency of THAT level 50 class. A Conjurer will probably be better at casting Cure than any other class at the same level due to it having higher MND and possibly traits enhancing healing potency. That and they will select materia to further enhance it.

[WiiSam]

As mentioned under 1. Class-specific Actions, upper tier actions will be abolished in favor of scaling the potency of the base action according to level. The effectiveness and MP cost of the action will be dependent upon the level of your current class.

In my eyes that means you can simply learn the skill at the minimum level and set it on your level 50 and you'll cast it at the potency of THAT level 50 class. A Conjurer will probably be better at casting Cure than any other class at the same level due to it having higher MND and possibly traits enhancing healing potency. That and they will select materia to further enhance it.

So...how do interpret Class specific Actions ? It def doesn't even say Cross-class!

[TinnySnips]

So...how do interpret Class specific Actions ? It def doesn't even say Cross-class!

WiiSam, first I would like to apologize for misunderstanding your original question. You are right in that I missed the point, and I instead answered another question. Having said that, the dev notes do indeed answer the question. Orophin's post, which you quoted, is the entire body of section 5 of the dev post. The title of the section is "The Influence of Levels on Actions." You ask how to interpret "Class specific Actions." The anwer is, it should be interpreted as a full reference to the title of Section 1, which is "Class-Specific Actions" (As mentioned under 1. Class-specific Actions, upper tier...). "Class-specific actions" is merely a part of that prepositional phrase, telling you where this particular subject was previously mentioned. The actual subject of the sentence begins at the word upper. It goes on to explain that tiered spells will be eliminated. The next sentence answers your question. I am sorry if I over-explained that one, but I'm having a hard time seeing what is confusing about section 5.

[Sole]

Tinny I understand what you're saying but you're directing your information at a completely different question. This is not the answer to my question, whether it be fact or assumption.

I never asked if my R50 GLAs Cure will be as effective as a R50 Cons Cure if my con is only lvl 4.

I am asking: Does it make a difference in potency for my Cure on my R50 GLA whether my Con is R4, 14, 24, 34, 44, or 50. This is the question. And nothing in the dev notes answers it.

This is the second time I am asking us to carefully analyze the question and not go off on tangents.

I think this question has been addressed in this topic, no?

I gather that the abilities would scale with your primary class despite the fact that your conj is at r10. I can't imagine making people having to rank every class to 50 in order to not be completely gimped. The difference would theoretically come from the traits and stats that are intrinsic to each class.

[AlphaDragoon]

The way it sounds, if you have an L50 character but use an L10 skill from another class, it still has the potency of the L50. Level is the all-important factor, from what it looks like.

[Coglin]

All traits will be made class-exclusive.
Adjustments will be made so that certain actions will only unleash their full potential when paired with traits belonging to the same class.

If it helps. My interpretation of this is that spells/abilities used cross class will be scaled down do to the lack of the class traits that are non-transferable to other classes.

thus in my understanding it would scale, but not to the same strength it would on the original class. I don't believe the spell itself is level related, you simply aquire the spell at said level.