The Influence of Levels on Actions and Cross Class Skills

[Alerith]

It sounds like a simple and effective means of making everyone not have to level jobs to insane levels.

As a Gladiator, instead of leveling up to 40something for Cure III, I have just "Cure" learned. Now I have the means to heal myself (in proportion to my level) without needing to level up CNJ to absurd heights that I otherwise wouldn't want to.

Or learning Defender at level 10 and using it with great effect without having to learn Defender II by leveling up MRD to 48.

Clearly I don't have the same amount of MND a CNJ would have, but the potency would be better without grinding a job I otherwise don't like playing.

[TinnySnips]

im sorry but you dont have the answer to the question, you are making an assumption based on the information provided. You have come to the same conclusion as i have but i wouldn't state mine as fact since i don't know what the devs have planned

I don't have the answer to the question, the developers do. They posted the answer already. It is stated quite clearly in the text, but I will post the relevant bits here to show you that I'm not speculating.

Under Section 1. Class-Specific Actions

Upper tiers of an action (such as Fire II and Fire III) will be abolished in favor of a system wherein potency and MP cost are scaled based on the player’s level.

Under Section 4. Setting Actions and Traits

All traits will be made class-exclusive.
Adjustments will be made so that certain actions will only unleash their full potential when paired with traits belonging to the same class.

Under Section 5. The Influence of Levels on Actions

As mentioned under 1. Class-specific Actions, upper tier actions will be abolished in favor of scaling the potency of the base action according to level. The effectiveness and MP cost of the action will be dependent upon the level of your current class.

Those 3 bits answer the question quite thoroughly, along with answering the followup question, "Won't that make a Gladiator Cure at level 50 just as good as a Conjurer Cure at level 50?" (The answer to which is a resounding no). Please refrain from accusing me of making assumptions. I will engage in speculation from time to time, but when I do, I will not state it as a fact. The only assumption that I have made is that the information contained in Triairy's post is accurate.

[WiiSam]

I don't have the answer to the question, the developers do. They posted the answer already. It is stated quite clearly in the text, but I will post the relevant bits here to show you that I'm not speculating.

Under Section 1. Class-Specific Actions


Under Section 4. Setting Actions and Traits


Under Section 5. The Influence of Levels on Actions


Those 3 bits answer the question quite thoroughly, along with answering the followup question, "Won't that make a Gladiator Cure at level 50 just as good as a Conjurer Cure at level 50?" (The answer to which is a resounding no). Please refrain from accusing me of making assumptions. I will engage in speculation from time to time, but when I do, I will not state it as a fact. The only assumption that I have made is that the information contained in Triairy's post is accurate.

Tinny I understand what you're saying but you're directing your information at a completely different question. This is not the answer to my question, whether it be fact or assumption.

I never asked if my R50 GLAs Cure will be as effective as a R50 Cons Cure if my con is only lvl 4.

I am asking: Does it make a difference in potency for my Cure on my R50 GLA whether my Con is R4, 14, 24, 34, 44, or 50. This is the question. And nothing in the dev notes answers it.

This is the second time I am asking us to carefully analyze the question and not go off on tangents.

[Orophin]

I am asking: Does it make a difference in potency for my Cure on my R50 GLA whether my Con is R4, 14, 24, 34, 44, or 50. This is the question. And nothing in the dev notes answers it.

As mentioned under 1. Class-specific Actions, upper tier actions will be abolished in favor of scaling the potency of the base action according to level. The effectiveness and MP cost of the action will be dependent upon the level of your current class.

In my eyes that means you can simply learn the skill at the minimum level and set it on your level 50 and you'll cast it at the potency of THAT level 50 class. A Conjurer will probably be better at casting Cure than any other class at the same level due to it having higher MND and possibly traits enhancing healing potency. That and they will select materia to further enhance it.

[WiiSam]

As mentioned under 1. Class-specific Actions, upper tier actions will be abolished in favor of scaling the potency of the base action according to level. The effectiveness and MP cost of the action will be dependent upon the level of your current class.

In my eyes that means you can simply learn the skill at the minimum level and set it on your level 50 and you'll cast it at the potency of THAT level 50 class. A Conjurer will probably be better at casting Cure than any other class at the same level due to it having higher MND and possibly traits enhancing healing potency. That and they will select materia to further enhance it.

So...how do interpret Class specific Actions ? It def doesn't even say Cross-class!

[Sole]

Tinny I understand what you're saying but you're directing your information at a completely different question. This is not the answer to my question, whether it be fact or assumption.

I never asked if my R50 GLAs Cure will be as effective as a R50 Cons Cure if my con is only lvl 4.

I am asking: Does it make a difference in potency for my Cure on my R50 GLA whether my Con is R4, 14, 24, 34, 44, or 50. This is the question. And nothing in the dev notes answers it.

This is the second time I am asking us to carefully analyze the question and not go off on tangents.

I think this question has been addressed in this topic, no?

I gather that the abilities would scale with your primary class despite the fact that your conj is at r10. I can't imagine making people having to rank every class to 50 in order to not be completely gimped. The difference would theoretically come from the traits and stats that are intrinsic to each class.

[HiirNoivl]

I don't have the answer to the question, the developers do. They posted the answer already. It is stated quite clearly in the text, but I will post the relevant bits here to show you that I'm not speculating.

Those 3 bits answer the question quite thoroughly, along with answering the followup question, "Won't that make a Gladiator Cure at level 50 just as good as a Conjurer Cure at level 50?" (The answer to which is a resounding no). Please refrain from accusing me of making assumptions. I will engage in speculation from time to time, but when I do, I will not state it as a fact. The only assumption that I have made is that the information contained in Triairy's post is accurate.

Good explanation. This is also a good balance between DoW and DoM too I think.

[Holy_Dragoon]

Actually Tinny, well done. This does seem to cover it quite nicely. Thanks, I didn't put 2+2+2 together this time.

[TinnySnips]

Actually Tinny, well done. This does seem to cover it quite nicely. Thanks, I didn't put 2+2+2 together this time.

Thank you. I think the confusion is coming from the fact that an example was provide for abilities scaling down, but there was no example provided for abilities scaling up.