Thread: Thoughts, Concerns and Requests about the changes in 1.20

Parts of this sound great, others not so much...

[Concern]
Removal of tier spells: Hate management is going to be terrible...being forced to cast "cure III" instead of tossing out a cure I to keep the tank going. Forced into casting the strongest nukes instead of lighter nukes to keep off hate....

MP Cost: I haven't leveled DoM classes high enough for the higher tiers, but if the MP cost is different between tiers a mage won't be able to fall back to Fire when they don't have the MP for Fire II.

[Request]
Make traits learnable by individual classes, but let traits be equipped regardless of current class. Someone who trains to run fast doesn't become slow when doing another action, they still have the ability to run fast. Traits should be a reflection of knowledge gained from using a certain class, but should be "character-centric" instead of "class-centric". Just because it's learned from a certain class doesn't mean it should only be available while that class.

[Concern]
Removal of tier spells: Hate management is going to be terrible...being forced to cast "cure III" instead of tossing out a cure I to keep the tank going. Forced into casting the strongest nukes instead of lighter nukes to keep off hate....

MP Cost: I haven't leveled DoM classes high enough for the higher tiers, but if the MP cost is different between tiers a mage won't be able to fall back to Fire when they don't have the MP for Fire II.

[Request]
Make traits learnable by individual classes, but let traits be equipped regardless of current class. Someone who trains to run fast doesn't become slow when doing another action, they still have the ability to run fast. Traits should be a reflection of knowledge gained from using a certain class, but should be "character-centric" instead of "class-centric". Just because it's learned from a certain class doesn't mean it should only be available while that class.

Tiered Spells, in a game which has a limited number of actions that can be used, are a waste of space. There are more inventive and strategic ways to vary the spells than making a more potent version. We could have instant cast spells with a reduced potency. We could have spells with a longer cast time that has greater potency. I would take actual variety over tiered spells any day of the week.

There are abilities now which affect the potency of your next cast. I would like to see those given more reason to exist. Tierless spells accomplish that.

The traits being locked to a class is necessary to keep class roles separate. Why invite a PUG when a LNC does everything the PUG can do, but from a greater distance. Traits will add utility to each class, and allowing them to be cross-classed will only make everything more scrambled. We need identity, not homogeneity.

These changes are intended to add more teamwork and strategy to the game, and I think that if you thoroughly review today's announcement, you will see that they do just that.

My main concern is for healing. Cure and Cure II, Sacrifice and SacII all serve distinct roles, and each earned their place on my bar, with MP being what it is for healers.

Originally Posted by TinnySnips

Tiered Spells, in a game which has a limited number of actions that can be used, are a waste of space. There are more inventive and strategic ways to vary the spells than making a more potent version. We could have instant cast spells with a reduced potency. We could have spells with a longer cast time that has greater potency. I would take actual variety over tiered spells any day of the week.

Not trying to be a dick or anything, but even if you called it fire and fira, its still just fire I and fire II. They are both tiered.

Originally Posted by Baxter

Not trying to be a dick or anything, but even if you called it fire and fira, its still just fire I and fire II. They are both tiered.

You are right. That was a bad example. The point I was trying to make is that Tiered spells are not the only way to manage enmity and mp (and I failed, using an example of tiered spells... smh). There are other methods, which are more fun, and ultimately more beneficial to the party. Judging by the new development team's changes to date, I will trust them to make it so.

They were already going to adjust the enmity of heals and we might get traits or combos to cancel out the enmity gain, so we would need to wait and see. There might also be new non-Cure methods of healing.

On multiple tiers of nukes, the current MP cost difference is literally 10 MP vs 20 MP, which would very very very rarely make a difference. The only reason I ever put tier 1's on my bar so I have something to spam while I wait on T2 recast times. If the potency and mp cost scales more prominently I would be able to pace myself better, not to mention combos could surface to battle enmity gain, MP costs, or increase potency. If you risk gaining hate you shouldn't be nuking, really.

Everything that Yoshida's team has done so far, has been well thought out and generally better for the game. I am sure they have a mechanize to deal with hate control. I would imagine a low recast magic potency ability would accomplish this. When people get use to it we will all go "wow i can't believe i managed all those different spell tiers, that was awful"