Yoshi-P on Character Growth

[Nalien]

Whatever it is, it doesn't sound like they are thinking of all kinds of players, while the current game has content for both raiders who want exclusive best of the best items, and more casual people who don't have as much time but don't want to fall behind either. However, it must be just me because I genuinely have no idea of what all this rage and doom is about.

I literally just posted two suggestions on how SE can make me happy (no idea about anyone else) with more long term character progression, that shouldn't negatively impact casual or new players... I was very much thinking of both sides when I came up with that suggestion...

You've also just highlight one of the problems with this game, IMO... It has "hardcore" raid content, and then casual content... What about the mid-core? The one that should arguably be the biggest group? 2.# didn't really have any of that, 3.0 was promised to improve on that front, but all we've really gotten is Diadem and Palace of the Dead, both content I would not describe favorably and almost certainly would label as "casual" anyway... Relics remain the only real thing close to mid-core IMO, and Yoshida seems intent on dumbing those down further, not expanding upon them and making them great... I really wish he'd look at Final Fantasy XIs Mythic weapons, and implement something similar... Something like that could add a lot of value to content IMO, Anima weapons just has me grinding Esoterics off PvP, it's pathetic... ToAU was the golden age of Final Fantasy XI for a reason, it added lots of unique content and backed them up with purpose... XIV will have a hard time doing the same with purely vertical progression, but Relics at least could add more value to stuff like Deep Dungeons and Exploration Missions... Right now they're all just disconnected and effectively replace each other... Palace of the Dead, for example, is a replacement for grinding Nidhogg for a weapon... I'd very much like something that instead ties this stuff together...

This game actually has a lot of content I might perhaps enjoy more, if only it had a solid purpose... This is one reason why Wondrous Tails actually has my attention, it provides some reason to go back and do things like Binding Coil or Leviathan (EX)... It's not as great as it could be, but it's a start I guess...

[MilesSaintboroguh]

I am leaving the game so thats not an issue. Ill be back every new patch for 1 month just the way Yoshi intends it to be.

So can we expect you to return to complain about every patch then?

Man... do you even understand what you are saing?
HW a failure?
You.. know at this point I'm not sure you are just trolling.

The latter. Not even worth responding.

[Zigabar]

ooh the doomsayer's are back , i thought they died out in 2.3 or so

I guess they like to wait til half an expansion in to start calling the end of Hydaelyn. Prepare your tinfoil hats!

[bass9020]

So can we expect you to return to complain about every patch then?

Nope im not like other people who need to keep getting there 2cents in.

[Frederick22]

The latter. Not even worth responding.

Yea I know, but sometimes I can just tolerate when some people start saing complete nonsences.

xD

[Alexander_Dragonfang]

you have no proof of how high or low the current sub population is as se will never give out that info saying the game is doom is simply fearmongering that happens every patch and you saying it isn't slim won't ever change what will happen (doesn't mean it can't but that is far from happening)

We have the player made data census, they are not accurate, but giving them 20% error margin, they could be considered a very good evidence to support my claims, again, no, its not SE exact accurate numbers. What we do know from SE tho, is that yoshida supports this model of patching and content releasing under the excuse of "you take a break, go to play something else, then come back".

How that is a good design philosophy, and a good sign to the health and future of the game, i have absolutely no idea. Just smokes way too high if you ask me. "listening to the silent mayority", what is this, a crappy political campaign slogan?

He said is ok for players stop playing his own game if they belive it became too boring and then come back so it feels fresh again. Thats what we know for certain, and that is certainly a very dissapointing statement when you look to the future of the game.
Personally, i don't want FFXIV to be something people plays for 1 month after each patch and then turn into a empty wasteland (which some servers actually are) but it seems, that is exactly what yoshida wants to happen.

[Kaurie]

someone doesn't give you a reason you find good enough so that means you are allowed to attack them? thought out ideas? to you maybe but that doesn't make it *thought out* it's easy to side with what you like and say its good and that goes for both sides.



there is a millions arguments that we could go through but it's pointless.

you have no proof of how high or low the current sub population is as se will never give out that info saying the game is doom is simply fearmongering that happens every patch and you saying it isn't slim won't ever change what will happen (doesn't mean it can't but that is far from happening)

Proof is collected via achievement data mining. This only shows characters, and not players - so the numbers are actually slightly inflated. It is sad to see that only ~2000 players (I mean characters) on my server have completed the 3.3 story line, and ~5k have finished the 3.0 story (IIRC).

[Clover_Blake]

You've also just highlight one of the problems with this game, IMO... It has "hardcore" raid content, and then casual content... What about the mid-core?

I consider myself "midcore" (I mean, I spend 24/7 playing FFXIV, but I don't do the latest raids because I lack a group to do so) and I have a lot of fun. The game does have long term goals and items that only the most dedicated players can obtain.
I haven't read your suggestions, however, but are you genuinely under the impression that this game offers very little to do? O_O
They keep adding different ideas update after update; you simply can't expect a single system to last forever, and that's why they keep adding new things!

Edit: You can't expect a single system to last forever, unless what you want is years and years of L2 mindless grind. Is that what people are actually asking for? I definirely wouldn't touch that with a stick *laughs*. And let's face it, creating content takes time and it's not easy. Devs can't make new content every week of the year. The only super long term content that can be given is grind and more grind, and not everyone is into that.

[Genaxx]

In my opinion, they're terrified at the idea of change. Which sadly might cause their own demise. Guess time will tell.

[Musashidon]

that is certainly a very dissapointing statement when you look to the future of the game.

not at all, yoshi p can't stop players from choosing to play way over the limit he has in mind for players to play. so the only thing he can advise people to do is take a break.

if he changes from the idea of only needing to play a certain amount of time the players he is choosing to cater to (them) will leave the game and not come back and for what? the smaller group that would play a game like what you are wanting? if you are against the idea that is fine but that doesn't mean your opinion becomes so fact about the death of ff14.

also the census is a fake census i have been through this once i can make a fake pie graph if you would like to show how everyone is playing ff14. (it wouldn't be true but then i would have fake data to use also)

Proof is collected via achievement data mining. This only shows characters, and not players - so the numbers are actually slightly inflated. It is sad to see that only ~2000 players (I mean characters) on my server have completed the 3.3 story line, and ~5k have finished the 3.0 story (IIRC).

this picture shows how the subs are going since release (as you can see it's only up)

Personally, i don't want FFXIV to be something people plays for 1 month after each patch and then turn into a empty wasteland (which some servers actually are) but it seems, that is exactly what yoshida wants to happen.

but people play plenty after 1 month it's players who burn out who is truely effectly (players like you, bass on and other on the forums) then you have the group of players who never stick to one game anyways and will always be coming back for first week and leaving afterwards.