No More Healers

[Cyrocco]

At best we have a shoddy balance between the three, and it feels like Astrologian still isn't widely seen as a good healer. Some new content, some more traits, maybe an ability or two for everyone would be nice, but not another healer. We have a burst healer, we have a shielder, we have a job that can regen or...well, lets not get into it, there's other threads for that. But it can buff too. Then we get people who want off-healers and DPS healers, SCH works fine for that, and we don't need any more ACC or Healer DPS threads. I don't think the content is big enough for us to need 4 healers, and I really don't think they could all be balanced at this point.

[zuzu-bq]

Only Nocturnal AST is considered to be week, Dirunal AST had been stronger than WHM for the majority of Midas because of the vast amount of Darkness attacks and strong Magical attacks to make Disable and Collective Unconsiousness valuable (on top of that if your partner is a SCH, both of these skills' mitigation stack with SCH's counterparts of them: Virus and Sacred Soil). Nocturnal is considered weak mostly because SCH is too powerfull and not because Noct is bad designed.

On regards of how many healers, technically we do have 4 healers to chose for but limited on the choice of Noct and Di AST in a same party for progression thanks to Limit Break issues. Also I think somewhere they said we wouldn't get new healers for expansion, can't say for sure about this statement but I'll look aruond about it. Also you just made a "thread about healer dps" that you so despite, looks like. If you wanna rant about it please bring solid arguments.

[Tashim]

I'd like to see a tp-based healer, (maybe dancer?) vs an mp-based one. But, before any of that, we really need a couple more types of caster dps, to make up for all the physical dps classes first.

[Keramory]

Dont know if its a good idea (and would not like to have my whm taken apart) but they could always take Regen away from the WHM...give them just op straight up heals (and haste :P), and make the next job Regen based XD

[Cyrocco]

...Also you just made a "thread about healer dps" that you so despite, looks like. If you wanna rant about it please bring solid arguments.

Let me clarify. The only unique healer ideas I've seen revolve around a healer with higher damage capabilities than others. (Red Mages, Geos, even the Samurai thread.) I also have no issues with any of the healers in their current states. Furthermore, we do not have four healers, no one works in technicalities, otherwise you could just as easily say we have two and a half healers. Now, if we're going into the Ast/Ast combo, the reason people don't do that is obvious, it's just because Scholar is so much stronger and has an amazing toolkit, so why not.

But this isn't very on topic.

My intention is not to rant, and I don't believe I have. It's to have a conversation with other players about whether or not a fourth healer type can even fit into the game as it is, obviously I don't believe one can.

[Rawrz]

Astrologian is a GREAT main healer. They just can't compete with SCH for the off heal role, because they are so synergistcally designed to main heal. Its not like WHM can flip a switch and become a more mana efficient off healer or SCH summon Eos and be an on par main healer. We have 2 efficient Main Healers and one efficient off healer.

I completely disagree. I don't see the SCHs pet as a 'problem'. It's part of what makes the job unique, and I'm not for all jobs being carbon copies of each other. AST was and is the main problem because the devs didn't focus on the aspect that makes it unique, instead they tried to make it a copy of both WHM and SCH.

This is why if they do add a fourth healer I'm hoping it will compete with SCH and AST can get Nocturnal Sect removed and buffed in Diurnal/Cards. There's no reason that one job should be allowed to achieve everything.

This is exactly what Kabzy was trying to explain wasn't true. AST is a great main healer with it's diurnal sect. SCH is a great off healer with it's fairy and aetherflow management. AST is a much weaker off healer, because its selling role is to main heal. SCH do not main heal, not because they can't, but because WHM/AST are much stronger main healers and less adapted to off heal. WHM and AST should compete for the main heal slot. SE needs to introduce a healer, who like SCH, can off heal very efficiently, but might struggle compared to AST/WHM main healing, so that SCH can be balanced by this fourth healer. AST cannot be an excellent main healer and off healer and expect to call it balance. A buff to time dialation and celestial opposition in nocturnal is all I'd be behind.


Tldr:
SCH isn't broken. It needs another healer who can compete with it in the off heal slot. AST having every role isn't balance and what is causing it's jack of all trades issues.

So yes I want to see a fourth healer, that can put SCH out of its comfort zone of a mandatory slot, just like AST is able to truly compete with WHM. :]

[winsock]

I'd be all for a 4 healer... so long as it isnt "WHM variant No. 3". If they cant give it a truly unique and separate playstyle like most ffxiv classes, it doesnt deserve to be added.

[Nekotee]

I agree i would love a fourth healer with an entirely new mecanic

And remember that sch is only strong because of CritAdlo (ah the fairy... Yeah cheat healing agreed...)
Hopefuly tey did lose their lustrates cheat otherwise... It would have been too strong

And let's not think about taking out any whm spell
Those poor thing would be crushed XD
I mean ast is now so much better to use

[FoxyAreku]

We better not have any new classes at all then.

It's not fair to keep adding other roles and give nothing to people who main healers.

I really hate when people try to bring up this argument. Maybe you should look at World of Warcraft? That game has SIX healers and they all play incredibly differently while still being mostly balanced. There is plenty of room for more.

[platorepublic]

We better not have any new classes at all then.

It's not fair to keep adding other roles and give nothing to people who main healers.

I really hate when people try to bring up this argument. Maybe you should look at World of Warcraft? That game has SIX healers and they all play incredibly differently while still being mostly balanced. There is plenty of room for more.

Yes, and also, please don't make us healer mains to have to try out disciples of war so that we can use the healer. Keep healers disciples of magic, like AST that doesn't require any cross class skills. Thanks.