Thread: Reminder On What Was Actually Said Regarding PS3 Support After 3.0

It doesn't really matter what they say sadly.

They told us we were getting new egi's...see how that turned out? >.>

They said personal housing will be 100% separated from FC housing and "far more affordable" ...and we see how that turned out lol

I don't believe anything or bother reading what they say anymore..you know what I read? The patch notes...because that is the only thing that holds true sadly. This isn't 1.0 days anymore...

They would be dumb to keep up with PS3 support. It's holding so many things back in the game.

Frankly, I don't see how people can even play it on the PS3. I had to for about two weeks when my graphics card was shot and it was the most horrible experience. It's like playing in PP mode lol.

Originally Posted by Klamor

Sorry, not sorry, that your decade old tech can't keep up with the times. It's not supposed to. Your equipment has outlived its intended purpose, and keeping a machine on life support just so you can enjoy your 30FPS 720p is disgusting.

Except that FF XIV on the PS3 is "keeping up" just fine (as the game is now). Sure it struggles when there's things with lots of players (like hunts), but as long as the game supports it, they don't have much of a problem/reason to have to upgrade.

I play on PC myself and although I've added a PS3 licence to my account, it just felt so clunky I've never played more than about 5 minutes on it so I don't really know how people can play on it... but for those players that are, if they're "happy" with how it performs, if they don't really have a reason to upgrade and it's going to be less of a concern to them.

If/when SE drop support for PS3 with one of the expansions (be it 4.0 or 5.0) then then that'll give those players a reason to consider upgrading, but I don't expect massive changes over night either as it's likely that 2.0 and 3.0 would still be supported for years (based on how SE handled PS2 support for XI)

they may or may not have changed their views on this as it has been a little while since we heard anything about it. the pros of dropping PS3 would have to outweigh the cons. SE knows that if they drop PS3 they "potentially" lose a part of their player base forever meaning less profit. (big quotes on potentially) I doubt SE will drop PS3 for a few QoL changes. that being said, I do expect to see some improvements after some time has passed since it was dropped. so should it be dropped? yes eventually. doing it at the launch of an expansion would be best.

While I am all for dropping PS3 support, unfortunately Japan can be a slow changing country and the PS4 pretty much flopped there. I am bettering they are holding their breath to see how the PS4 PRO does before they make a decision.

As for money, 2 years ago I struggled to upgrade my 5 years old laptop and had to take a loan that I am still paying back. Unfortunately, hardware gets outdated and replacing it can be a real issue if you can just about cover your bills, food and some small extras (like an FFXIV sub). So I don't like to ride the "gosh, just UPGRADE" train. However, when the time comes when I actively can't play a game properly anymore with my outdated hardware, I either bite the bullet and upgrade or simply do not play that game.

However, PS4s are getting seriously cheap. We recently had an offer in one of our huge media store chains offering 2 PS4s for 300€. Group up with someone and it's 150€ + a new set of FFXIV games, which are constantly on sale as well. If you can't get that amount of money in the next year until the expansion (with things getting even cheaper), I REALLY think keeping an MMO sub should be the least of your worries.

Originally Posted by Klamor

When I was growing up broke AF, I enjoyed a great many things that didn't involve funneling money into something I couldn't afford. It wasn't until I was out of high school for a few years that I was able to afford my first computer. It was a Dell E1505 with a whopping 512MB RAM. We all have our own humble beginnings, but people don't need to enjoy things they can't truly afford simply because they exist. Sometimes you have to do that thing called adult. If we're talking about kids here, then where are the parents?

There was a guy I knew in my FFXI days who confided in me once. He told me that he'd made some poor life decisions early on, and was now in a situation in which he needed to work two menial jobs just to stay solvent, with no real prospects he could see to get himself out of the hole he'd dug himself into. He had a limited amount of money to spend each month on recreation - and what he really loved doing was playing FFXI.

Is that truly a childish attitude to have? Maybe. I don't know. Regardless, it's just one example of an individual who would need to think long and hard before investing in an upgrade. I'd imagine there are plenty of folks who'd get that thousand-yard stare once the announcement came out that they'd need to shell out a couple hundred bucks or stop playing.

It's also important to realize that a lot of folks DON'T have their own humble beginnings. A strong portion of the playerbase comes from middle- and upper-class individuals who never really wanted for anything. I'm one such individual; while my family was not rich by any means, we never had to deal with crushing debt or anything along those lines. I try to stay cognizant of just how incredibly lucky I am not to have had to deal with those kinds of problems, and never just assume that "a few hundred bucks" should be a small price to pay for something.

One factor to consider, too, is that if individuals have the means to easily upgrade to PS4, they probably would. I played on PS3 for a while, and it was, indeed, pretty miserable. Load times were awful, FATE monsters were invisible and untargetable, and larger monsters moved like old-time stop-motion animation - it was such a breath of fresh air when I moved to PS4! SE doubtless has the means to detect how many players are still playing on PS3, and my guess is that the bulk of those individuals are folks who are either reluctant to or outright can't afford to upgrade. SE has a pretty good idea of just how many subs they will lose, and until the balance of subs lost vs PS3 development costs swings in their favor, nothing will change.

Originally Posted by LineageRazor

I try to stay cognizant of just how incredibly lucky I am not to have had to deal with those kinds of problems[...]

Lucky indeed when you look at the wealth distribution in countries like, say, the United States. Almost 20!!!% of households there have a negative net wealth due to debt. And thanks to inheritance of debt and wealth alike, you got about a one in five chance to be fucked over and born into such a household with but a tiny chance at a future.
And that's just the worst of the worst that likely couldn't even afford a PS3, let alone a sub. More likely we're talking about the bottom 60% that cumulatively at least own under 5% of the total wealth and can afford things such as toothbrushes, train tickets and small scale entertainment like an old console.