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    Dogempire's Avatar
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    Okami Amaterasuu
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    Faerie
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    Paladin Lv 100

    How is Ninja DPS endgame?

    Just curious since I picked up Ninja as a new melee class. Not really sure how it compares to the other melees.

    Also what's a quick way to get lancer to level 34? I really hate spending a lot of time on a class I don't plan on playing, plus I hate the need for cross class skills.
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    Starkbeaumont's Avatar
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    Raegen Beaumont
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    Spriggan
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    Dark Knight Lv 90
    NIN has lowest individual damage ouput out of the three melee classes, yet in the end it's the most desirable, cause it can boost other's damage. it provides a nice way of hate management which could potentially lead to more damage. also it has access to goad, which in long fights or heavy aoe fights could result in... ya you guessed it... more damage. their own aoe potential got boosted in a recent patch as well.

    for your lnc "issue". just do dungeons, leveling roulette, weekly challenge log and leves/fates while you wait on queues
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    Revya Median
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    Moogle
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    Summoner Lv 80
    To put it simply, Ninja got the lowest DPS of the 3 melee DPS jobs but it has the highest utility to the group as a whole. Monk is the highest DPS but lowest utility and Dragoon is right in the middle.
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    Whiston Aglaeca
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    Carpenter Lv 60
    The best answer is: Really good if you learn the class well, and probably awful if you don't.

    These threads pop up pretty frequently, yet the skill ceiling and general population skill is pretty far apart, so much so that any class being played well will do more damage than any other class being played at a mediocre level.

    Take the following for instance: In A7S, the top Bard (ya know, that "support" class with generalized low DPS) does more damage than all but 7 Monks, the class regarded as having the highest DPS.
    Hell, the top Paladin in A5S (lowest damage output tank) does more damage than 60% of all bards.
    It's not unheard of for healers to do more damage than ninjas, and on the other hand, there's no reason a ninja couldn't be top DPS in a party.

    So if you enjoy the class, then play it and play it well and you'll be just fine!
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    Last edited by Whiston; 09-21-2016 at 03:39 AM.

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    U'tyada Tia
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    Odin
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    Marauder Lv 67
    Personal DPS amongst melees it's MNK>DRG>NIN
    Party DPS it's DRG>NIN>MNK
    Utility it's NIN>MNK(Def)=DRG(Dps)
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    Sailysium Leingod
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    Diabolos
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    Monk Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Starkbeaumont View Post

    for your lnc "issue". just do dungeons, leveling roulette, weekly challenge log and leves/fates while you wait on queues
    I'd honestly say to just run Palace of the Dead for sub classes you don't care to spend time with. Leveling reward at low-mid levelis pretty decent and is at least more enjoyable than all those other methods combined.
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    Swarley Mcswarlington
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    Zalera
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    Lancer Lv 80
    Ninja has the highest effective dps (personal dps + raidwide dps) and, because of that is generally the most sought after melee job for raid groups. As far as its own damage goes, it has the most sustainable dps out of the three melee and has very high and quick burst damage to go with a now buffed aoe damage output. So, yes, its individual damage output in a static environment is lower than drg or mnk, but it's not a HUGE difference and it more than makes up for it with its utility and sustainability. Hope that helps! Oh, and it is the one melee that mixes in some magic damage with its ninjutsus.
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    Lillianne Nelligan
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    Dragoon Lv 64
    Quote Originally Posted by Krindor View Post
    Personal DPS amongst melees it's MNK>DRG>NIN
    Party DPS it's DRG>NIN>MNK
    Utility it's NIN>MNK(Def)=DRG(Dps)
    Most people would disagree for the Utility section. Most people agree its Nin>DRG>MNK since DRK have Delirium, so its not an exclusive utility anymore. But of course, a monk is viable if you have no drk. but most people tend to always take a DRG in their group, and switch between mnk and nin.
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    Flower Girl
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    Zodiark
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    Dancer Lv 90
    even the dps order is discussable Mnks "can" be on top of the melee dds but to bring their numbers up they need a perfect condition without taking care of aoes or mechanics... i won't say Nin/Drg are stronger but they need less "paradise" for being effective.
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    U'tyada Tia
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    Odin
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spayd View Post
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    True but there's also traited mantra which has its uses in progression and was one of the reasons it was MNK and not DRG that got world first A8S and with the upcoming changes to PLD there might be an increase of them in raid teams. Overall when planning for a team NIN is the close to must've while MNK and DRG is dependant on the requirement of the fight, a high DPS check = DRG, harsh HP checks or double boss like a1s = MNK. Therefore DRG = MNK when it comes to utility.

    Quote Originally Posted by Neela View Post
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    Looking at the average on every boss fight MNK is ahead of DRG and NIN in all fights so it's definitely the top personal DPS.
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