Feast Party Win Trading / Primal

[Aviars]

Benefiting from setting up matches+accepting any and all challenges that happen during =/= Benefiting from setting up matches+purposely avoiding games that you didn't set up

As far as I'm concerned if people continue to dodge games within the ranked playlist once custom games are out we should be free to label them as people that just want the items. This is generally speaking not just this situation. I hope they add a loss of points for not accepting a queue

They didn't not accept que, they just stopped queing, most likely because they were steamrolled. Koltik did mention that the game he had vs them lasted 3 minutes with his team 'going easy' on them. Ya I wouldn't blame them for stopping.

Didn't we also have a conversation on a different day that people on Aether actually have a alarm type of system for certain people queing in 4v4 solo that you don't want to play with because it is a likely loss? Pretty much the same concept. I don't blame people for not wanting to que if they aren't going to have fun or feel like matchmaking may give them the shaft.

[Exira]

They didn't not accept que, they just stopped queing, most likely because they were steamrolled. Koltik did mention that the game he had vs them lasted 3 minutes with his team 'going easy' on them. Ya I wouldn't blame them for stopping.

Didn't we also have a conversation on a different day that people on Aether actually have a alarm type of system for certain people queing in 4v4 solo that you don't want to play with because it is a likely loss? Pretty much the same concept. I don't blame people for not wanting to que if they aren't going to have fun or feel like matchmaking may give them the shaft.

like i said GENERALLY SPEAKING and NOT JUST THIS SITUATION. I really don't know how you can compare choosing not to queue at times where known solo queue bots/new people are spamming games ---> organizing games and withdrawing from queue pops that aren't against your friends in a playlist that affects a leaderboard. I'm sorry but it's not even in the same realm

and we don't have an alarm system people just mention who's playing at the moment and people choose their own destiny.

[FreeKingStefan]

They didn't not accept que, they just stopped queing.

This simply isn't the case, and you must be extremely oblivious if you think that these people across several data centers, who are not known AT ALL in their communities except as cheaters, are getting to high rankings legitimately.

When a queue pops which is not against one of their predetermined teams, they drop it, and try again later when (hopefully) there is nobody else queuing.

Edit: After reviewing the 'evidence' from both Koltik and the alleged exploiter, I will say this.

Doing in-house games while refusing to play other teams = Trading/Boosting. It is technically against the rules, as laid out on the top post on these forums, to do so.
Doing in-house games while welcoming other teams to play you = Okay in my books. The population is very low and so the players need to find ways to play SOMEHOW.

That said, the fact that this guy is by himself in the top spot with huge points and less matches played than the other top players means he took points from higher rated teams, it literally screams "boosting." This, in tandem with the fact that the "losing" teams on Exodus are still going positive in point gains after their bouts, really does smell fishy.

[Aviars]

This simply isn't the case, and you must be extremely oblivious if you think that these people across several data centers, who are not known AT ALL in their communities except as cheaters, are getting to high rankings legitimately.

I am only referring to the exodus group specifically. So yea.

[FreeKingStefan]

I am only referring to the exodus group specifically. So yea.

Even if this is the case, I do think it is very fishy that a team plays one game and then ceases queuing. It is a practice notoriously linked to win traders/boosters. If the players on the withdrawing side actually wanted to play and improve, they would just accept the queue.

[Bartleby]

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Sure, but if your team got steam rolled over in 30 seconds and you KNEW you'd just be playing the same team over and over again because no one else is in queue I don't think most people would queue, whether they were being dishonest or not. It's not fun or interesting for the losing team, and they aren't learning anything through it either. Lots of people in top 100 for solo queue across all datacenters already openly do this where they try to "game the queues" where they'll only queue (or stop queueing) if they think that have a good shot at getting the better team.

I mean, how many of you would queue solo queue if you knew there were only 2 people healing and you were going to be matched with a terrible healer? Same concept in teams really. The only way to fix it is if you DON'T know who you're going to get which in the way things currently are is pretty uncommon.

[FreeKingStefan]

Sure, but if your team got steam rolled over in 30 seconds and you KNEW you'd just be playing the same team over and over again because no one else is in queue I don't think most people would queue, whether they were being dishonest or not.

Ok, but my point is that the team who refuses to play does not DESERVE to be above better teams. It is a fault of the system, not the players, but that is a clear issue.

[Bartleby]

Ok, but my point is that the team who refuses to play does not DESERVE to be above better teams.

I completely agree that they don't deserve it, but the way this system is set up, without having a large enough diversity of teams in queue no one really deserves the ranking they currently have on the party leader boards, and that goes for everyone.

[FreeKingStefan]

This is just so ridiculous that I don't even know where to begin.

Sorry, this portion of the post was not targeted at you, but at win traders in general (in reply to Aviars.) I'm not too aware of most Primal players, but even Koltik said you have been around since pre-season, so it doesn't apply to you

[Koltik]

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Look at it from my perspective. We randomly see 1 guy at the top of rankings that nobody recognizes from S1 or S2 Feast. Everyone else is hundreds of points behind this player with a suspicious 95% win rate. There are also a bunch of random people who nobody recognizes from the same server as said player in Top 30 with suspiciously low win rates.

Now look at Aether, Chaos, both DC's which have had people pay millions of Gil to be boosted to rank 1. Then add on the fact that the second we queue to go against a group from your server, we win 1 game then the queues suddenly stop. What would you think?

That said, tonight a ton of people were queuing and still kept queuing even after multiple losses. If there are really that many people legitimately interested in 4's now, and you got it going on Exodus, then I 100% apologize and will be the first to thank you. 4v4 Light Party needs more people queuing for it, and tonight we saw more pops than we had seen since pre-season. My group plans to continue queuing when we can in the evenings, and hope to see this activity continue.