Thread: Feeling Underwhelmed with 3.4

Originally Posted by MomomiMomi

I think the biggest problem is not the amount of content that they give us, but the type of content. They give us a ton of one-and-done content. It's a lot of content that simply doesn't last. They even put weekly restrictions onto it to make things worse, so we do something once in a week and that's it, we're done. See you next week!

It's just worse that a lot of it is the same content we got 1-2 patches ago, just with a fresh coat of paint.

The amount of content is fine. It's the type of content that's really the problem.

Well this time we are getting squadrons that are tied to the challenge log and wondrous tails that will make older stuff relevant again. So the stuff we do every week will increase.
If you do a mini cactpot and all the roulette's every day, that's still a decent ammount. For me anyway.

Originally Posted by MomomiMomi

I think the biggest problem is not the amount of content that they give us, but the type of content. They give us a ton of one-and-done content. It's a lot of content that simply doesn't last. They even put weekly restrictions onto it to make things worse, so we do something once in a week and that's it, we're done. See you next week!

Could you give some examples of content that would last longer? The weekly lockout is kind of a necessary evil to retain subs (and our sanity). Otherwise everyone would grind the content in the first two weeks, get everything they want, burn out and then never touch it again. I would think the content would be dead after that. With that said though, I would be open to hearing alternatives that might be better. Maybe having a weekly lockout per job, so we can gear multiple jobs every week.

Originally Posted by MomomiMomi

I think the biggest problem is not the amount of content that they give us, but the type of content. They give us a ton of one-and-done content. It's a lot of content that simply doesn't last. They even put weekly restrictions onto it to make things worse, so we do something once in a week and that's it, we're done. See you next week!

It's just worse that a lot of it is the same content we got 1-2 patches ago, just with a fresh coat of paint.

The amount of content is fine. It's the type of content that's really the problem.

They have no. People consume content nowadays at a rate far exceeding what can reasonably be developed. Even Legion will likely begin to lose its luster within a month or so, and WoW doesn't exactly have a good history outside expansions. Restrictions exist because people would inevitably grind out everything in a couple days through binge play. Very few games can provide a constant flow of content.

You also have to consider what you may consider dull or uninteresting, others are excited for. Wondrous Tails comes to mind. Despite it essentially having us go back to old content, a lot are looking forward to it. The fact Alexander looks to be tuned more towards midcore level raiding, this may open the door for people to finally explore the endgame.

The squadrons and the dungeons don't seem to give much to hope for, personally. The first has amazing potential at least, but so long as the low-difficulty cookie-cutter dungeon formula continues, I doubt the new dungeons will provide much excitement even the first time through. Looking forward to Alexander and Sophia though, for what that's worth. Forward and backward and forward and back.... Hype and disillusion.

Originally Posted by KeiranOlive

Could you give some examples of content that would last longer? The weekly lockout is kind of a necessary evil to retain subs (and our sanity). Otherwise everyone would grind the content in the first two weeks, get everything they want, burn out and then never touch it again. I would think the content would be dead after that. With that said though, I would be open to hearing alternatives that might be better. Maybe having a weekly lockout per job, so we can gear multiple jobs every week.

See: FFXI. It was full of content that lasted for extremely long periods of time. It also had daily limits which is part of what helped extend the content. It wasn't just one repeated dungeon over and over again, though. It was one day you could do one dungeon, then the next day, if you completed that first dungeon, you could do the next one.

Daily limitations are much better than weekly limitations. You were also able to stock up multiple days, so you didn't have to log in every day if you didn't want to.

One such example from XI is Assault. It was 50 different missions. This lasted at least 50 days if you did every single mission once and won every time. Granted, they didn't release it all at once, but they did release it fairly quickly.

I'd take that over running the same two dungeons every day for 3 months any day.

Originally Posted by MomomiMomi

See: FFXI. It was full of content that lasted for extremely long periods of time. It also had daily limits which is part of what helped extend the content. It wasn't just one repeated dungeon over and over again, though. It was one day you could do one dungeon, then the next day, if you completed that first dungeon, you could do the next one.

Daily limitations are much better than weekly limitations. You were also able to stock up multiple days, so you didn't have to log in every day if you didn't want to.

One such example from XI is Assault. It was 50 different missions. This lasted at least 50 days if you did every single mission once and won every time. Granted, they didn't release it all at once, but they did release it fairly quickly.

I'd take that over running the same two dungeons every day for 3 months any day.

Daily limitations certainly sound interesting. I haven't played XI, so I can't say whether I would like it's systems better or not, but I would be fine with the devs trying it.

I guess one thing that seems to bother others, but not me, is the complaint about too much repetition. Just from what I've read on this forum, I get the feeling that I must be a little odd. I enjoy running the same dungeons/trials/raids repeatedly because I like to practice my jobs and the fights until I feel I've mastered them. I actually looked forward to running Bismark EX and Ravana EX 99 times in a row. Repetition is not a negative thing to me since I go into every fight (even in the easiest content like dungeons) aiming to do better than the time before. Maybe I forgot to used sacred soil on the last run, or I didn't use my fairy's abilities as effectively as I could have. Stuff like that. Doing content that I know well helps me pay attention to the little things. But that's just me. I can understand why others don't feel the same way.

FFXI also necessitated grouping for a great deal of its content, which sounds good in theory, but can become incredibly frustrating when people aren't willing to do the content you want to. A good comparison is trying to find parties for Sephirot or Thordan EX. Chances are those are rare. Now imagine if everything was like that.

So you will run all the content once and once only?
Kill Creator once and never repeat? Run new dungeons once and never go in again?
Kill Sophia once and then unsub?

I guess people have different tastes.

I have a question about the 2 end game dungeons we get and there difficulty.

Why the constant requests for them to be harder? Lets face it, we grind them out for tomes for months, whatever difficulty they make them they're going to be mastered and boring long before they're obsolete. The only appreciable long term difference I can see is that players late to the patch cycle will get raged at more often for not knowing 'a fight thats been out for ages'.