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  1. #51
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    So this are allowed whil clearly related to certain culture :




    (the "miko"being me, an awfull westerner stealing and spiting on japaness culture....

    But not a hat with a couple of feathers on it ? oO
    The more time i spend on this forum, the less i understand what's going on here oO
    Plus, what if a Native Americain come by saying he likes (or she, I don't want to offend any feminist, or even a cat, don't want to offend the specists) the hat, does that make him a traitor to his kind ? will it creat a black hole ?!
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    Last edited by Celef; 09-18-2016 at 06:36 AM.

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    Just stating a point here... This game is a FANTASY game. In a FANTASY world. Where FANTASY can be lived out. I mean for the Twelve's sake, it is literally in the name of the game. The logic behind getting knots twisted up over fantasy is like offering to braid a bald guys hair.
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    Leader of Tonberry Assassins <STAB!> of Coeurl, a social & light raiding FC.
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  3. #53
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    Quote Originally Posted by Masquerade View Post
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    Im sure Native americans can speak for themselves if something offends them. They don't need someone from F knows where speaking on their behalf in an attempt to bring social justice or whatever crap they were thinking.

    If the OP was a Native American then his complaint would be somewhat legitimate. But apparently he is not.

    If i was a Native American reading this thread right now i would feel insulted to see someone implying we couldn't speak for ourselves.
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    Last edited by CUTS3R; 09-18-2016 at 06:51 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anselmet View Post
    But it is a legitimate question in this case. They must not be Native American, if they were then they would be able to see how the headdress is more liken to the roach. They can defend Native American culture all they want, but as someone who is Native I wish they would at least research before they open their mouths. Fight for legitimate causes and not petty ones that make them seem like good people. Otherwise it will take the spotlight away from legitimate issues and turn people away quickly.
    All of this. People can support groups of ethnicity while not being part of said group, however if they're going to speak/make demands on its behalf (because that's what this thread is), then they shouldn't be ignorant of how the group 'works'. You're doing just as much harm to the group as someone speaking against them. It's spreading misinformation, and it's all because you'd like to virtue signal. Don't be that person. Know what you're talking about before you open your mouth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Masquerade View Post
    Aaaand another one.
    There's a big difference between supporting something and speaking for it. I can support black lives, LGBT rights, and all manner of things, but I can only speak for things I'm directly aware of and have experience with. I'd never presume to speak for African Americans because I am Asian - however, the OP seems to be speaking for/being offended for people she is not rightfully able to speak for since she has no experience of being that minority. Support is great - speaking for without being a part of something isn't, to me.

    **Edit: Arrelaine beat me to it! **
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    OP might have missed that this is a video game and stuff like this has been put into games before many times.
    It may aswell just be considered Ixal tribe-like clothing so get over it seriously.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anselmet View Post
    But it is a legitimate question in this case. They must not be Native American, if they were then they would be able to see how the headdress is more liken to the roach. They can defend Native American culture all they want, but as someone who is Native I wish they would at least research before they open their mouths. Fight for legitimate causes and not petty ones that make them seem like good people. Otherwise it will take the spotlight away from legitimate issues and turn people away quickly.
    Asking people what skin color they are is what would "take the spotlight away from legitimate issues." It's a question that is being asked as a way to discredit.
    It suggests that if person X is not a apart of the race/culture/religion/ect. that they are speaking out for, then their argument has no merit.

    It like last year with Rachel Dolezal. Shes a civil rights activist and was president of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People.
    Before she publicly stated that she was biological born white, but she identifies herself as black, there was that huge deal of people wanting to know what color she really is. Even tho her being white or black had zero to do with her work and achievement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CUTS3R View Post

    If i was a Native American reading this thread right now i would feel insulted to see someone implying we couldn't speak for ourselves.

    Iv never been insulted when straight political and religious leaders, people in the Entertainment Industry with a large platform, or even just regular people teaching their children have voiced their support for LGBT equality.

    When that happens, I guarantee no LGBT person thought the supportive straight person should keep their mouth shut.
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    Last edited by Masquerade; 09-18-2016 at 07:30 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Masquerade View Post
    Rachel Dolezal.
    There was sooo much rage from the black community over the fact that she's white and 'pretending' to be black when she does not suffer at the hands of oppression and police violence in the same manner that someone who is black does face. Hell, she probably never even faced racism handed to herself and not just her black friends. White people defending anyone is 'wrong' in everyone's eyes it seems. :P
    Lovelyti, a Youtuber, does do some good videos on American minority issues, and she did cover Rachel Dolezal in one topic.

    Personally Rachel can claim to be whoever she wants, if furries can claim their animals and women / men can claim to be the opposite sex then she can claim she's black if that's how she feels she was born. I believe she stated she felt she had been 'born in the wrong body' anyway.
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    Last edited by Lokier; 09-18-2016 at 07:23 AM.

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    Seriously, this is instigating at its best. Its like me walking up to a stranger and saying my friend doesn't like his clothes and he should change them or else and my friend doesn't even know what's going on. I'm not only putting words in my friends mouth, but I'm also trying to start a fight between him and this random guy. The op should be banned for even trying to incite something that isn't even there and has no actual knowledge of, since he thinks only Native Americans are the only ones with a culture of wearing war bonnets.
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