Roles for Samurai, Red Mage, Dancer

[MomomiMomi]

At yourself? Sure. I mean you're clearly ignoring everything else he said about DPS not having a sword for reasons, and claiming no mention of tank or DPS was stated. It's hard to admit you were wrong, so it's fine. Not to mention ignoring everything else I've stated that contradicts your own arguments.

Okay, I get that this is the internet. But sarcasm isn't that hard to detect, is it?

Also, yes a defensive stance can be argued to exist on DPS, simply because it can be argued as a survival mechanism, something many jobs have (like my mention of MNK). You have Seigan for your defensive stance, that only buffs Third Eye and allows for a low chance to counter (with or without TE). You pop Seigan and TE, all avoidance potential is used up after 10-20sec, you're left with 40-50sec of low chance to counter as your justification of it being able to tank uniquely from other DPS that also have tank-like properties. No additional abilities to mitigate damage without needing to rely on a subjob, where even then, it needs to deal with extensive cooldowns once the next TE is used up and another 40-50sec are left remaining unmitigated reliably.

Sounds like a great tank, right? Maybe it sounds a lot more like the defensive abilities I've mentioned other jobs have to survive temporarily until an actual tank can take over.

This isn't a temporary ability like the defensive abilities that dps get. Seigan is a recast of 1 minute with a duration of 5. It's a full-time defensive stance, which cannot be used at the same time as their offensive stance. And no, your defensive abilities are not down for 40 seconds, wrong again. It's a 30 second recast.

[Welsper59]

Okay, I get that this is the internet. But sarcasm isn't that hard to detect, is it?

It actually can be, but good on you.

This isn't a temporary ability like the defensive abilities that dps get. Seigan is a recast of 1 minute with a duration of 5. It's a full-time defensive stance, which cannot be used at the same time as their offensive stance. And no, your defensive abilities are not down for 40 seconds, wrong again. It's a 30 second recast.

I never said Seigan was temporary, I said the other jobs have temporary survival abilities, and that Seigan by itself isn't much of a "tank" argument. Once again, failure to read. EDIT: Actually no, I'm wrong on Third Eye on that, yeah. Deleted the previous sentence. Seigan bonus. So let me ask this then... why was SAM never used as an actual tank? Real question, since apparently it has so many great qualities. I mean, even with TE at 30sec, there's still the very real threat that you lose it right off the bat... what do you do then? Pop subjob cooldowns? Then you lose TE again and those defensive cooldowns are gone.