Roles for Samurai, Red Mage, Dancer

[Welsper59]

He said nothing about dps or tank. He said that Samurai will uphold Bushido, arguing against you saying ronin is a good example of SAM not being a tank and instead fighting dishonorably. Because if we get Samurai, it most likely isn't going to be dishonorable. That goes against the core of fantasy Samurai.

Why are ronin by default dishonorable? I didn't even say that. I said a lot of them were, just as Samurai ranks were, but by a default, ronins were not. Your argument, and apparently the person I quoted, indirectly implies that DPS are dishonorable. The reason I say that is because of the fact you single out the tank role as the exclusive role for it to possibly exist in the game. If I'm wrong on that, and that you're not saying DPS are dishonorable (in other words, they are capable of being honorable), then how is this at all a point to argue for the tank role? You would literally be picking out a quality all roles share. Even as far as history goes, I've pointed out reasons why they can fit DPS equally as well as tank... since it's for the same reasons.

Edit: For further clarification, my mention of the ronin and the general corruption of the Samurai ranks in history were to point out to the guy that Samurai were not some saintly order infallible to the misdeeds of normal human beings, as was being implied. Here's what he said:

If there is one thing i have leares through all of these SAM DPS/ Tank threads it's this: The vocal majority would rather bastardize the concept of a real world warrior culture that for generations held up fundamental ideals of honor, sacrifice, and duty to others before and at the cost of their own lives (Bushido being not unlike a Knights Chivalry), for the sake of less role responsibility in a fantasy based mmo ...

The saddest part? In wanting to play the fantasy of a Samurai, they want to cut out a Samurais role in not only real world history but established fantasy aswell. The reason we don't have a sword DPS is simple, the sword iconography/ symbology denotes a hero. By all means prove me wrong, pictures of swords through the back are welcome, particularly Samurai attacking the enemy From behind.

Bolded the important part of why I brought up the reality about the samurai. They were not all as honorable as Hollywood likes to make it seem, as he even admitted.