Roles for Samurai, Red Mage, Dancer

[Welsper59]

I really hope they'd make Dancer more Bard than Bard actually is here. I miss the concept of support jobs from the FF series, even if they were lackluster in practice, outside of XI's nearly perfect application of the role in an MMORPG.

Tanks are only unpopular when compared to the entirety of dps roles though. The populations of players who play melee dps jobs is pretty much the same as tank players according to the official census. So the number of players who'd be attracted to the "good" jobs like samurai and dark knight is generally the same.

You don't get to sit here and dictate that tank players who are arguably more important to the health of the game, should be relegated to the scraps of uninteresting jobs just because you're a selfish mess.

Don't overlook a significant reason for the DPS role being more popular. The responsibility and attention for it. Tanks are traditionally the leaders, and no one likes to lead or have that responsibility no matter how easy it might be to play it. Spotlight is frequently on you. Likewise with healers, the spotlight is even moreso on you during combat. You mess up too much and you're going to be blamed for not healing enough (even if it may have been impossible to heal because everyone else was ****ing up). No one wants to deal with that crap.

[Shippuu]

No one wants to deal with that crap.

I mean, despite that being demonstrably untrue as a significant portion of the game's population plays tanks and enjoys them...

YOU may not want to deal with "that crap" or are unable to but thankfully you are not everyone in this community so you should probably stop speaking for everyone.

[Welsper59]

I mean, despite that being demonstrably untrue as a significant portion of the game's population plays tanks and enjoys them...

YOU may not want to deal with "that crap" or are unable to but thankfully you are not everyone in this community so you should probably stop speaking for everyone.

Wait so you're trying to argue that tanks and healers are more popular in active numbers than DPS? That was the point of the previous statement and you're now stating that it's untrue. Whether or not there's an active following for a role is irrelevant when the point was referring to majority situations. The moment you have a universally greater need for DPS over tanks or heals is the moment the game has done something special that no others have for it.

[Shippuu]

Wait so you're trying to argue that tanks and healers are more popular in active numbers than DPS? That was the point of the previous statement and you're now stating that it's untrue. Whether or not there's an active following for a role is irrelevant when the point was referring to majority situations. The moment you have a universally greater need for DPS over tanks or heals is the moment the game has done something special that no others have for it.

I was never arguing that they are more popular so perhaps I mispoke but I was specifically talking about populations numbers. There are less tanks than dps as a whole, but when we're talking about jobs that are strictly melee its manipulating the statistics to compare all dps players to tank players when talking about adding specific jobs. People who are die hard caster/ranged dps players may have little interest in melee dps jobs.

In this situation, samurai. The argument is that "there are more dps players so it should be dps." But if we actually look at population data, the number of players who play specifically melee dps jobs is roughly the same as the number of players who play tanks (20% and 19% respectively). So to argue that based on population alone it should be a melee dps simply cannot be made. That was the point I was trying to make.