Roles for Samurai, Red Mage, Dancer

[MomomiMomi]

The community wants it to be DPS.

Community speaking here. Give me SAM tank. Thanks.

[AlphaFox]

At this moment were kinda just speculating these are the 3 chosen jobs arn't we? Dancer is the only one (assuming his word on the event having to do with it, thus the emote being a copy of XI) that seems like a possible choice but outside that, has any other info been seen or given to hint at it?

[Shippuu]

At this moment were kinda just speculating these are the 3 chosen jobs arn't we? Dancer is the only one that seems like a possible choice but outside that, has any other info been seen or given to hint at it?

Dancer is actually the least likely of the 3 however. It's one that a lot of players have asked for but its not once been mentioned by Yoshida or the devs. Samurai has been talked about quite a bit and is undoubtedly a surefire addition to the game at some point, whether its 4.0 or later, it was originally in consideration for the tank role for 3.0 but lost out to DRK at the last minute (so some could argue it's role has already been decided and simply pushed back to a later expansion). And red mage has been mentioned quite a bit, and notoriously Yoshida has said recently it's one of his favorite jobs. Which interestingly enough he said the same thing about Dark Knight and Machinist in one interview months before the first Fanfest back in 2014.

So I would say, in my opinion, that Red Mage is potentially the most likely to he added in 4.0. It's iconic appearance will make for easy marketing and I wouldn't be surprised to see a CGI trailer where the Hyur changes jobs again to the Red Mage

[Powe]

well honestly I only see red mage being a dps( I can handle it if it is a healer but if its a tank No just NO) I can see it having a slow natural MP regen so when the mp is gone, it switches to physical attacks and if the healers of a raid or a dungeon is having a tough time, the red mage would switch to healing and help with healing a party since in my opinion healing comes before dps( talking to all those healers who get DPS tunnel and forgets they have to heal a tank)

[cammi]

Sam DPS DPS DPS DPS DPS DPS DPS DPS D.P.S PLEAAAASE. Give us a DPS sam.

[CrystalRainbow]

RDM 3 stances that can't change outside of combat or once you enter a instance.

You pick your role.
Healer Stance / DPS Stance / Tank Stance. The true do it all but sucks at everything job!

[Balipu]

Dang, you guys are on fire. I reached my post limit and when i come back we have like four new pages. Okay, here goes nothing:

Personally, with the way our healers DPS more often than not, I'd be inclined to make the Red Mage a healer - they can even get heavier armor because chances are, it doesn't matter. Only the melee aspect would suffer a little.

I can't imagine dancer capturing the core fantasy of it without it being a DPS. It should be very mobile, because motion is what dancing is all about - something that tanks definitely should not do because every melee DPS would get a stroke and something that would most likely be OP on healers.

Samurai could work as either DPS or Tank - they are typically depicted in heavy armor, but the shirt wearing Samurai (preferably with a straw in the mouth) has also become widespread in media. Healing seems off - there are no associations of Samurai with mending.

Can't imagine Dancer being anything but DPS? That's odd. DNC has been a support class since the very beginning. Although I do like the idea of mowing down enemies armed with only a fan. Or a pair.

Yes Samurai healer is kinda dumb. I just included it because it is one of the possible ways to combine the 3 jobs and the 3 roles. I could maybe see healer SAM sacreficing speed, damage, tp or health to buff or heal the others. As an extreme form of loyalty to your Lord (the tank).

Samuai DPS
Red Mage tank
Dancer healer

I'm not sure why people still think that having another tank class is going to fix the shortage of tanks. People don't tank because it's the most demanding role (except maybe healers) and requires the most attention while playing. People get nervous queuing with them. SE could add 3 more tank classes and no dps/healer classes and it still wouldn't change the shortage issue.

Well then, how about giving them a fun class. That could be an incentive to play.

In pretty much any "Holy Trinity" based MMO there is always a surplus of DPS players and a shortage of Healers and Tanks. There are multiple theories as to why (Added "responsiblity" when playing a tank or healer, more "cool" class options as DPS, "Damage is fun") but it's very rare to find a Trinity MMO where Healers/Tanks are more popular than DPS roles.

For the question above, I could see it going more or less anyway. I'd lean toward "Samurai = DPS, Red Mage = Tank, Dancer = Healer". but I'm not really sure.


For Red Mage, they could technically fit all three. Red Mage is going to be tough to fit in this game, if only because they are defined by being "Jack of All Trades, Master of None". The Red Mage will see quite a bit of change, and depending on what they decide to emphasize it will change. As a Tank, they could easily have a number of defensive abilities, support abilities, and offensive abilities (not unlike Paladin), while still fighting in melee. It might make a great fit. However, it would likely need heavier armor, which might not work as well. As DPS it could probably still do all three as well. Healer I see being a bit harder, if only since it's supposed to be melee, but it could fit. I think Red Mage is a pretty good bet for the expansion though. The two major Ala-Mihgan characters we've seen have both combined swordplay with fire magic (Ilberd and Raubahn), I'm just not sure what role they'll fill.

Dancer I could easily see as a Healer, or a DPS. As a DPS they could easily fit the "melee bard" kind of role, with support focused dances and quick melee strikes. As a Healer, they could focus on party wide support abilities, although I'm not sure how they would handle "melee" healing. Tank fits some of their aspects thematically (attracting attention), but I feel like would be a bad fit. Either they would have to wear heavy armor, or they would have to be an "Evasion" tank, and to be frank I don't see that happening. "Evasion Tanks" are notoriously hard to balance correctly, as they usually end up either too weak or wildly overpowered. So, I don't realistically see "Dancer" as becoming a tank, though healer or DPS could work.

Red Mage or Dancer could probably fit any of the role. For dancer tank i had the evasion tank in might. It might be hard to balance but it would be interesting.

I think people new to MMOs jsut begin with dps as that is the easiest and they never graduate.

Samurai being a tank seems like the obvious choice - but I kinda hope it doesn't happen. Samurai will probably use a katana or great katana, and that would make for THREE out of four tanks wielding swords... It'd be nice to have a sword-wielding DPS for a change. Of course, they could get fancy and give SAM a Naginata, or even a bow...

Exactly. The DPS Icon is a sword for gods sake. But with this 3 we are getting 2 sword wielding jobs. It is highly likely that one of them will end up being a DPS.

What if they made samurai have a tank version and a dps version. 2 different style katanas.

What do you mean? Two different samurai classes? The only way I could see that happen if samurai ends up being a base class with a tank and a dps jobs (saaay Yojimbo and Ronin respectively.) I would really love that but I don't think that will happen untill I get Yoshie-P's position.

With those 3...

Samurai Tank
Red Mage Healer
Dancer DPS (in the same vein as Bard)

I wonder if they could add new base classes instead of just jobs, because that way they could add more Jobs in the same matter how ACN is used by both SMN and SCH as a base class...

I hope they do eventually. Classes are important, but they have been hurt a lot in Heavensward.

So what? Because the tank role is less popular so we're gonna keep sacrificing good jobs like Dark Knight and Samurai to be a boring punching bag?

They don't need to be boring, you know.

At this moment were kinda just speculating these are the 3 chosen jobs arn't we? Dancer is the only one (assuming his word on the event having to do with it, thus the emote being a copy of XI) that seems like a possible choice but outside that, has any other info been seen or given to hint at it?

Yep, we kinda are just speculating. While i wasn't here for last years rising I think it mentioned samurai and red mage. Definitely samurai. The current rising event had the wandering minstrel mention a sword cleaving the ocean floor after spears do something (meaning after Heavensward we get a water themed expansion with a sword wielding class). And these 3 are the most requested classes/jobs anyway.
No definite info. Yoshida will probably come with a new t-shirt to the fanfest and mention that his favorite movie is Last Samurai or Dirty Dancing or HUnt for the Red October, or whatever. At least that's how Dark Knight and Machinist were revealed.

RDM 3 stances that can't change outside of combat or once you enter a instance.

You pick your role.
Healer Stance / DPS Stance / Tank Stance. The true do it all but sucks at everything job!

I had the same idea for dancer actually, But you still need a main role that you can use for queing.

[Welsper59]

I really hope they'd make Dancer more Bard than Bard actually is here. I miss the concept of support jobs from the FF series, even if they were lackluster in practice, outside of XI's nearly perfect application of the role in an MMORPG.

Tanks are only unpopular when compared to the entirety of dps roles though. The populations of players who play melee dps jobs is pretty much the same as tank players according to the official census. So the number of players who'd be attracted to the "good" jobs like samurai and dark knight is generally the same.

You don't get to sit here and dictate that tank players who are arguably more important to the health of the game, should be relegated to the scraps of uninteresting jobs just because you're a selfish mess.

Don't overlook a significant reason for the DPS role being more popular. The responsibility and attention for it. Tanks are traditionally the leaders, and no one likes to lead or have that responsibility no matter how easy it might be to play it. Spotlight is frequently on you. Likewise with healers, the spotlight is even moreso on you during combat. You mess up too much and you're going to be blamed for not healing enough (even if it may have been impossible to heal because everyone else was ****ing up). No one wants to deal with that crap.

[Shippuu]

No one wants to deal with that crap.

I mean, despite that being demonstrably untrue as a significant portion of the game's population plays tanks and enjoys them...

YOU may not want to deal with "that crap" or are unable to but thankfully you are not everyone in this community so you should probably stop speaking for everyone.

[Welsper59]

I mean, despite that being demonstrably untrue as a significant portion of the game's population plays tanks and enjoys them...

YOU may not want to deal with "that crap" or are unable to but thankfully you are not everyone in this community so you should probably stop speaking for everyone.

Wait so you're trying to argue that tanks and healers are more popular in active numbers than DPS? That was the point of the previous statement and you're now stating that it's untrue. Whether or not there's an active following for a role is irrelevant when the point was referring to majority situations. The moment you have a universally greater need for DPS over tanks or heals is the moment the game has done something special that no others have for it.