square please challenge us a little

[Welsper59]

Anyway, the speedrun mentality will never go away unless they make it go away. It's always better to get things done as quick as possible and when everything is exactly the same every time you go in a dungeon then you're going to feel more inclined to zoom through.

This is actually faulty logic (even if it is sound), simply due to prior experience. In WoW, with Cataclysm, the devs tried to bring back a need to slow down runs by requiring things like CC for most parties. In other words, a return to old school gameplay. We're at a point in time where the idea is promising, but the actual practice is (hypocritically) met with hate by the very people who argued for that same return because of the fact it's slower than we're accustomed to. Once the speedrun mentality has been established, which this game has almost always been, you can't break it so easily.

The devs would need to start slow, and despite any hate/dislike/whatever they meet on the matter, they cannot relent. Steps of Faith was a good example of introducing the concept, albeit not the best example, and ideally where they shouldn't have caved in with changing. Make a dungeon that does, in fact, require some form of CC. Make BLMs with Sleep the more ideal job to have for ease of the run, but also allow it to be something where the other jobs with Bind, Stun, whatever can manage in their own way. Remove diminishing returns on most status debuffs for PvE content, because that crap obviously serves little to no purpose anyway now. Stun probably still needs DR though, or maybe increase resource cost by a lot, since PLD can spam that lol. Return to us the freedoms that the genre traditionally gave us back in the day with choosing (within reason) how we tackle content. If a BLM wants to sleep chain trash mobs, let them.

Once the waters have been tested, and it seems well accepted, bring out more opportunities to test us for our GROUP efforts rather than our individual ones. DPS output is an individual effort, but working together with stun orders and watching each others backs is a group effort and something that is sorely missing from this genre today.

[Mugiawara]

What are you prattling about...
Hullbreaker Isle (Hard) is a dungeon...
The OP is talking about the how easy the hull breaker hard mode was, which as of now is pretty much a face roll even tho its 'Hard'.
And the fact that they dont want a gubal hard face roll again.
They didnt say they want more story ingame. They only said they enjoyed it.
read properly pls

Well what we can kinda infer from OP's original post, he's talking about 4 man dungeons.
You said if Gubal isn't hard, then make your own challenge then proceed to tell us about Nid, which is not a 'dungeon'
per say, it's a Trial. Hullbreak HM was never hard to begin with. It's always been face roll as of all 4 man dungeons.

She was also using a comparison when she was talking about the story btw.

[Deceptistar]

Well what we can kinda infer from OP's original post, he's talking about 4 man dungeons.
You said if Gubal isn't hard, then make your own challenge then proceed to tell us about Nid, which is not a 'dungeon'
per say, it's a Trial. Hullbreak HM was never hard to begin with. It's always been face roll as of all 4 man dungeons.

She was also using a comparison when she was talking about the story btw.

oh. i figured the OP wanted a 'challenge in a fighting environment' in general, as the activity concept is the same, not just in a specified genre of a battle.

[Deceptistar]

Nid EX isn't a dungeon. You mention challenge. We're talking about challenging dungeons. Srry if you didn't get what I was talking about. And the bit about story was an example. Is it that hard to understand what I typed? :/

Your answers redundant, its already been explained above.

[Kurogaea]

Your answers redundant, its already been explained above.

I fixed it, 3 mins before you posted. This site need auto refresh for how active it is. :/

[Deceptistar]

I fixed it, 3 mins before you posted. This site need auto refresh for how active it is. :/

yes, yes it does lol

[Fynlar]

All I ask for Library HM is that it gets a better BGM. Out of all the HW dungeons so far, Library storymode's music is still the only piece to make me go "WTF were they thinking with this?" and that says a lot when you consider Vault is mainly just an organ playing.

[Gemina]

Haukke EX and Qarn EX. Gimme gimme gimme!

I also wouldn't mind seeing instances made out of the Beast Tribe strongholds. I KNOW they can do this. I get that their difficulty had to be nerfed, and are now much easier to traverse. However, I think I can speak for a lot of players who feel that these zones should be certain death for solo travelers. So create instances around them where you can indeed ramp up the difficulty, and force players to group to complete the objectives within. Could even have something like Prae where you are required to access the respective mount to burn down trash, or gain access other parts of the instance.

Make a quest and an NPC to unlock, glowy stuff shows up at the entrance, and done deal! Let's go SE. Chop chop!

[Kurogaea]

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Or you could ask for actual danger zones on certain world maps where the beastribes live that are marked dangerous on your map and gives the player a warning. These areas would be high tier areas with actual dangers and your hp replenishes slower than usual when out of battle. Huge enemy mobs would roam the areas which you can avoid but also take down with a good group. Maybe with enviroment tools you can use like old magitech cannons, allagan lasers, or a simple wire you can carry to a pool of water to damage the monster.

But to stay with the ideas of harder dungeons, yeah could see that stuff. The beast Tribes could use some dungeons of their own.

[Nestama]

Mid content i'd guess is Void Ark and Wheeping city of Mhach. Extreme primals too i guess.

Definitely not Void Ark. That raid was easy on release, with Cuchulainn being the only potentially 'hard' fight. Weeping City was taking a step in the right direction, though. Was the first 24-man raid I've ever ran out of time on.

As for the dungeons... only thing I'm hoping for is no 'Enochian/Greased Lightning/Blood of the Dragon' hating bosses. It's pretty annoying to lose your buff because the boss decided to take 5-12 seconds to be untargetable. Dungeon bosses so far have been questionably okay. While definitely easy, they've at least been given multiple mechanics to work with. I'd definitely like to see more fights like the second boss in the Research Facility. As much as I groan every time I get it in roulette, that fight makes up for it.