Older Final Fantasy games

[Alexander_Dragonfang]

fixed that for you seriously I have no idea why vii gets so much love, cloud is a whiney lil kid and seph is just a guy with a mommy issues and both wield swords of major overcompensation

No, VII is much better than VI.

Terra is even more emo and whiney than Cloud, people just tends to overlook that a lot more just because she is a she. As for the badguy, Kefka is just the Joker in FF terms, everyone loves it, but as a character has the depth of a puddle. Sephirot is in a completely diferent league, the very fact on how both characters are handled and introduced separates appart, the first of sephirot you see in VII you play, and you feel him being extremely powerful, introducing a sense of dread everytime you are getting to him since you already know how strong he is, Kefka is basically comic relief till like 10 hours into the game and gets serious for a brief moment till again the very end.

[MicahZerrshia]

Terra is actually coming from mind control, has no memory of her past and is left alone and confused, it has nothing to do with her sex. Cloud on the other hand is just one of those kids in high school who wants to sulk, wear black and listen to Creed.

Kefka is completely insane, poisons a river killing the citizens of an entire city and even destroys the world all for the sake of just doing it and a lust for power. Seph killed one girl and cried over his poor mum, he couldn't even get the meteor to work. Kefka would kill you for sport, seph would kill you by droning on about his bad childhood and how he wants his mommy.

Regardless of characters, the secondary characters, story, plot and gameplay was all much better in vi than vii...imo.
vii was short, lacked any real depth and the end boss was a joke since you could knights of the round > mimic and done.

but again, my opinion

[AskaRay]

LOLL Squall is like Cloud in a way. He starts out as a jerk and the character development goes from there.

I'm super curious how Noctis from FF15 is going to be. I've heard it's a coming of age kind of character development.

See that's why I'm TRYING to get through VIII. I like Cloud, I get why he's the way he is (i mean he has such a bad sense of self he thought he was someone else for...what? at least a year or two). So obviously I feel like if I get to know Squall more he'll grow on me but
oh my god I never wanted to sock Cloud in the face when I first saw him. Every time Squall speaks I just reply with "shut the hell up".

I do like the other characters so far though. And the battle system is....complicated but interesting.

[Rufalus]

I think disdain for VII is a bit like disdain for Apple products. When something is mega popular, there are always people who want to be different and shun the mainstream, even if they don't have a reason.

I can give some reasons why I think VII holds up as one of the series best.

The characters are very well developed. Every major character has an extensive backstory, with the game jumping back into the past many times to build its history. The death of Aeris/th had such a great impact because the game earned it by making us care.

She had a great personality and we had been through so much together. She helped us, we helped her, at one point we lost her and had to risk everything to get her back from Shinra in a huge dangerous mission. And then suddenly, after all we had been through, she was gone and never coming back.

It deals with timeless themes like love, life and death. It deals with topics that are still very relevant today like corrupt government and pollution (mako energy literally killing the planet). The story is backed up by an incredible emotional soundtrack, perhaps Uematsu's best work.

A common complaint from detractors is that Cloud is emo or whiney. He had reasons to feel that way after emerging from a mad scientist's lab with mako poisoning and scrambled memories, unable to determine the truth of his own past, all while his enemy has a mysterious power over him which renders him a puppet.

There's a reason why people still talk about VII and why it's getting a ridiculous mega-budget remake. It's ok to celebrate as a brilliant piece of art.

[AlphaFox]

I admit I picked up Type-0 day 1 and after playing it for like 2 hours I got very irritated, think it was partly due to realizing it was a Co-op game that had that part removed and had rely on team mates who didn't exactly get the concept of dodge as I recall lol. It's a fun game I will admit but I think I would have enjoyed it more if I had friends who could control my other members like the original PSP version.

I do enjoy 7 myself but not for the story, mainly for the materia system and all the interesting combinations that you can mix in. Final attack + Phoenix and such. Though I still look forward to the remake. Concerning the argument over Kefka and Sephiroth, I gotta give it to the clown. Only one to my knowledge to actually accomplish his goal. Did recently pick up FF5 and loving it but I am also a sucker for a good job class system. :3

[vanitaslaughing]

Both VI and VII are overrated, but that's my opinion and I admit I have a very, very soft spot for VII...

Y'know what I loved? The Bravely series. Enough to have both Bravely Default and Bravely Second standing at home as collector's editions. And thanks to being from Europe I now have small Pope Agnes and Terrifying Face Agnes the First in my room. But the gameplay of these games is like an advanced version of FF5, and the story is actually really good once you get through the horrible slog the route to true ending can be on BDFF. BSEL on the other hand was absolutely brilliant from the moment you got your second true team member. My god, I was so hooked, I even almost passed my sister who had like two weeks of a headstart on me.

in terms of FF, my favourite has to be FFIV. Something about that blatant Star Wars is really charming, and despite all those Disney deaths in the game they manage to have every single one of these have an impact somehow. The characters are really charming, too. And as bad as TAY was (just thinking about the True Moon sends shudders down my spine in a very bad way), when it characterised someone it characterised them really really well. I admit, my inner fanfic writer might read too much between the lines for most characters, but someone who was REALLY well done was Golbez, and the fact you can permanently lose him just drives the nail in the coffin. He's SO GOOD in terms of characterisation, and you lose out on something rather interesting between him and Kain if you do lose him in the Red Moon Revival Party part of the final dungeon.
Also FFIV and its introduction of the ATB leads to some hilarious oddities with the battle system, but all in all the game is very solid and I love it to pieces (enough to stomp through the post-game dungeon four times on the same day and beat up Zeromus UG just because. I wiped the floor with that dude).

On the other hand, screw the FFI-FFIV revival bosses in TAY and the fact they're NEEDED to progress - only for you to get destroyed by Bahamut. That's just horrible, horrible design and makes a slog of something already not enjoyable. Thanks, space flea reloaded, for this wonderful dungeon.

[Balipu]

Kinda funny to see Type-0 here listed with older final fantasy games. I thought this will be about the NES games.
Since this quickly turned into a VI vs VII debate, here is my take on the question.

Kefka never really accomplished his goal. Mostly because he never had one. He just wants everything to die cause he never got enough hugs as a kid or something. And he may have destroyed the world, but he somehow failed to kill any of the main characters. Which comes back to bite him in the ass. Also, he may have ascended to godhood, but moving statues around doesn't really take that much skill.

Sephiroth haters suffer from two major misconceptions. 1. Jenova is in control of Sephiroth. 2. Sephiroth wanted to destroy the world with meteor. I'm not going to talk much about the first one. It's simply not true. Jenova was dead when Shinra found her. Now about Sephiroth's plan. He knew all along that the lifestream would save the world from meteor. That's why he moved to where we fight him. To be engulfed in the lifestream and ascend to godhood. Considering he became a part of the lifestream and infected most of the world with a disease that turns you into black sludge, he kinda got what he wanted.

Overall I prefer VII. It's not perfect mind you, I think the combat is better in VI for example, but it isn't overrated at all.

I guess it all depends on what you find important in a game. IV had a great story but zero progression system. VI had loads of characters with different combat mechanics, but most of them had the same backstory. IX was super wierd but it had the best music.

[Powe]

followed by FF 13 series ( yeah I said it, Lightning was awesome and a great female character )

OMG I finally found someone else who love Lightning! but yea the Lightning sage all the way for me

[Powe]

During the game you find out about Ace's past, Rem's and Machina's but the rest of the characters I haven't found back story for. Either i've missed the npc's or I need to check the library book thing.

Things really make way more sense after googling Fabula Nova Crystallis.
FF13
FF13-2
FF Lightning Returns
FF Type-0
And now FF15 are all based on the Fabula Nova Crystallis mythology.

Actually I think to understand the lore of Type 0, you just need the basic low down of FFXIII lore, the rest of the XIII( part 2 and Lightning-sama returns) is time travel and the basically the end of FFXIII lore( Lightning gets angry and starts killing gods )

[MilesSaintboroguh]

It will, as a horrible mobile port that skips, jumps, bumps, cuts and goes wonky cause SE cannot for the life of them put any effort into a decent pc port

FF12 has a mobile version now? And FF9 and FF10 on PC runs better than the other ports