Chain pull.. is that bad?

[albertopin]

I was doing my roulettes and got in a dng where you can take a bunch of mobs (big pull).
As i play pld im have flash and combo to build hate so i prefer to chain pull instead of big pulling.
Soon dps started getting salty about that and they told me this wasnt a good way of playing, and stuff. So then i spammed flash like a candle and made big pulls and the healer coudnt dps.

I dont think chain pulls are that unefficient, you just have to play in a different way and adapt.
But you know maybe im not seeing all the sides of the situation.
What do you think?

[Critical-Limit]

I was doing my roulettes and got in a dng where you can take a bunch of mobs (big pull).

By chain pull do you mean pull 3 mobs wait til they almost die, then let them finish off those mobs otw to the next 3?

assuming you can handle big pulls and your dps are decently geared and skilled.

The big pulls are faster because your elixir field or aoe's will each hit 6-12 mobs instead of 3. That's a lot of dps potential down the drain.

On the other hand if that's what you're doing I'm fine. It's better than a tank that pulls 3, slowly pulls the next batch for me to keep refreshing GL3 stacks

[Alice_89th]

What do you mean by chain pulling?

If you are grabbing one group, standing still for a moment, then moving to the next, the DPS might be a bit annoyed because they want to put down ground AoEs and you move out of them every time.
If you mean pulling the next group as soon as the first dies (or almost dies), DPS might be annoyed because they have to run chasing any leftover mobs or were using AoE attacks and are still out of TP.

As for adapting, you might be right but many people are used to the big pulls and might not react favourably to a different strategy. And in my personal experience (as a SCH) I can get in some DPS even in the most ludicrous big pulls.

[Cabalabob]

I'm assuming by chain pulling you mean pulling 3 mobs, stopping til they're almost dead then moving onto the next group of mobs before they're dead. In that case yes this is a bad way to pull. You're removing all TP/MP regeneration potential between pulls, lowering AoE dps, screwing up people's positionals and placed AoEs. It's not efficient. When you finish your pull you stop and you don't move until everything is dead, doesn't matter if you pull 1 pack of mobs or do 1 big pull, but don't stop and start. It's like walking down the street then stopping abruptly and having everyone behind you walk into the back of you don't be surprised when they start to get annoyed at you for it.

[Lollie]

Chain pulling is bad because of reduced resource recovery by 70% while engaged, and contributes no increase in damage efficiency.
The party is still traveling the same distance at the same speed, or even slower then the same speed if you have a tank that is using sprint for pulls properly (not saying you have to just saying you can).
You are also effectively reducing the efficiency of the skill with the greatest diminishing return scale for pack size by 40% (Holy/Gravity) not even factoring in the increased resource cost (doubling it) to even achieve dps on 2 groups (which chain pulling really is, engaging 2 groups individually with reduced recovery time between).

There is no chain bonus for kills in dungeons to my knowledge so a steady flow of kills vs a whole bunch at once makes no difference.

[SpookyGhost]

Just wait before everything's dead before you go to the next pull. It's not much slower to wait. Alternatively do roulette with friends and pull the whole room.

[Nyghtmarerobu]

Chain pulling is pretty much a huge waste like others have been saying. Its better to be the slow puller or to grab everything all at once. DPS buffs are better manged and TP and MP have time to regen between pulls.

[Ilan]

I was doing my roulettes and got in a dng where you can take a bunch of mobs (big pull).
As i play pld im have flash and combo to build hate so i prefer to chain pull instead of big pulling.
Soon dps started getting salty about that and they told me this wasnt a good way of playing, and stuff. So then i spammed flash like a candle and made big pulls and the healer coudnt dps.

I dont think chain pulls are that unefficient, you just have to play in a different way and adapt.
But you know maybe im not seeing all the sides of the situation.
What do you think?

In Dungeons where people are leveling chainpulls are totaly fine but in level 60 dungeons like expert they are more a slow down as soon as you have at least one range dps in the party since every of this classes is capable of a good amount of aoe dps and its wasted if they only hit 3 mobs.

[Joe_Schmoe]

Chain pull.. is that bad?

If by chain pulling you mean "boss-to-boss" pulling, I find it not really worth it in this game. Why?

• In this game, most of the monsters are spaced too far apart, as opposed to WoW, where groups are often clumped together. If I have to run (at least) twice as far, just to pull twice as many monsters, it's not really worth it.

• Too much AoE. Stone Vigil comes to mind, but there's others out there as well. If I'm spending more time dancing around AoEs than actual tanking then that just makes it harder on everybody. Too risky.

• Lack of DPS, for whatever reason. If it takes (at least) twice as long to kill twice as many monsters, it isn't worth it.

• Lack of faith in the healer. If the healer is a sprout, no way in hell I'm doing it. If I inspect the healer and he's not overgearing the dungeon we're in it's a no-go for that as well. As one who has been on the receiving end of this, if my gear wasn't in tip-top shape and I wasn't very good me and the tank would never been able to pull this off, not something I could say about a lot of other healers out there.

• Lack of discipline. If at any point during the pulling someone else catches aggro - including healer aggro - for whatever reason it brings everything to a screeching halt, since I have to now go back and pick them up again, slowing things down and me taking unneeded damage before speeding back up again. Again, not worth the effort.

Basically, the only reward for doing that is bragging rights, not worth it in my opinion.

[Lollie]

If by chain pulling you mean "boss-to-boss" pulling

No what is being discussed is 'stop and go' vs 'stop and kill', gauging appropriate pack size is a separate issue.

...And clarifying its not that i take mobs at 10% health and then go to the next group. I only do it to build up hate. 2-3 rotations aprox...

2-3 rotations is about long enough for most buffs to run their course so it isn't quite as bad. That said there is only one class/job that would benefit from keeping buffs going and that is pug/mnk with greased lightning, and you may very well yank whatever mob they are hitting out of the way on a gl refresh skill negating the whole benefit of that unless you are paying close attention to them anyway. Because of their TP usage if they don't get that increased resource recovery they are either going to run out of TP or have to resort to switching to single target to avoid that.