Apparently, new player means no one can look anything up anymore

[whiteblade89]

I have no pity for other new players who can't be bothered to help themselves.

This ^^
I've run into new players all the time that don't know the dungeon, or don't know the class, or don't know how the game works. Fine. Everyone is new at some point. It's when they tell you off after you try to help them that makes some of us unsympathetic. As far as I'm concerned, if you're new, do your research. Plenty of players like dragonseth and myself learned the game by taking initiative and figuring it out ourselves. I see no reason why other new players can't do the same. And if they dont, at least take advice when it's given instead of being a prick.

[Welsper59]

Why? Because I don't want to struggle and die because I was too lazy to put in the work. All the time and energy I spent doing homework was time spent NOT WIPING IN DUNGEONS.

This is not a dig at you and your playstyle or choice on the matter. It's just a general observation on the topic as a whole. I absolutely respect how you like to play, and I'm in no doubt that it helps your peers a lot, so it's perfectly fine. I just wanted to point out the irony on the perspective of laziness and following the research of someone else lol. You don't go through the actual struggle (i.e. work), you're just following a script, step by step. It's like copying someone else's homework, instead of doing it for yourself. Yeah, you get the work done faster, but you don't get the full experience of learning, which can only be gotten by doing it yourself from scratch. Obviously this is more of a statement on learning a dungeon through others than it is the lengthy work of rotation tuning.

It's honestly not hard to learn the basic mechanics of this game. And, if people are so inclined, they will look outside the game for more information. We also have Hall of the Novice now.

That being said, if someone is struggling you can offer to help. But this goes both ways. I believe they should also realize that something is not going well when they've died 8 times, and perhaps ask for advice. Unless they don't care enough, in which case, they are pretty much dead weight to a party.

I personally like performing well, so I watch guides before doing new content if I think it's necessary. Especially since seeing and doing something are two very different things.

Edit: It's within your right to hop into dungeons without having watched a guide. A lot of people do just that. But wanting to experience a dungeon blind is not really an excuse for bad play. Most dungeon enemies/bosses follow similar patterns. You can also ask if there are any specific boss mechanics you should know about if it's your first time.

Same boat on the matter of performing well. I have to say though that if you're with a group that is willing to learn new content, and you are willing to learn yourself, then it's so much more fun. I can't look down on people wanting to experience that, rather than have everything handed to them. The mystery can sometimes be exactly what people need to love something.

This ^^
I've run into new players all the time that don't know the dungeon, or don't know the class, or don't know how the game works. Fine. Everyone is new at some point. It's when they tell you off after you try to help them that makes some of us unsympathetic. As far as I'm concerned, if you're new, do your research. Plenty of players like dragonseth and myself learned the game by taking initiative and figuring it out ourselves. I see no reason why other new players can't do the same. And if they dont, at least take advice when it's given instead of being a prick.

Taking advice is certainly a matter to be considered, as there are a lot of people that can't take any form of criticism or remark without lashing out. "Nice glamour" "go **** urselv" Likewise however, the people offering the advice don't always realize they are doing so like an ass, even if to them it's just in jest or in a "humorous" manner. You'd be surprised how often people think someone saying "this group sucks" or "<player> is really **** at this game", then proceeds to offer their advice on being better, as something acceptable and they did nothing wrong to provoke the new players hostility. I've encountered far more of those than I have the angry-for-no-reason newbie, though some are that way because of some d-bag previously.

As mentioned above though, you can't really fault a player if they want to go in blind. Think about any game you play, and imagine if every single one of them had expected you to skip story and spoil the mystery of how to beat a boss/puzzle/etc for every single thing you do. Kinda ruins the fun, doesn't it? Sure there's some unwritten/unspoken rules of etiquette with pugs, but team play is a two-way street. The vet is not immune to being an ass (or being kicked) just because they know what to do.

[SinisterJointss]

I'm a new player, and it's not this that makes it hard. Everyone that I've run into while leveling that has had it rough brought it on THEMSELVES.

Why? Because I don't want to struggle and die because I was too lazy to put in the work. All the time and energy I spent doing homework was time spent NOT WIPING IN DUNGEONS.

I look up fights because I need to know how they work. I need to know what I'm getting into so I can help others and lead the fights.

If you die to a mechanic, it is YOUR fault. If you don't know how to play your class, it is YOUR fault.

I have no pity for other new players who can't be bothered to help themselves.

So when the game first came out, how did you aquire all this info? Oh yea, you didnt because the info wasnt there. Learning the game, and your class is far more valuable than any guide will ever be. There was no "hall of the novice" at launch. I guess what I am saying is that learning how to play this game without a guide is 70% of the fun. Then once you are good at that you can and should start fine tuning.

[JustPlainLucas]

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I'm just going to reiterate what I said to the OP. This isn't a research paper. It's a game. You shouldn't treat the game like it's "homework". Viewing the game this way is on you, buddy. Since you're a new player, there's a pretty high odds that you're going to be paired with people who already know what they're doing, and THEY will be the ones helping and leading YOU. The thing is, this is a social game, meaning you should be interacting with your fellow players, and a great way to do that is going in blind, saying you're new, and asking for tips and advice. It gets people talking to each other, and you get a hands on experience that will harden your gaming skills, because what you don't get out of guides is instinct and reflexes. You deprive yourself of any fulfilling experience. You know why a lot of people don't like Superman? They find a man who runs around beating people up and never getting hurt boring.

[OliviaJ]

Just no. Sure he sounds like a weaker player but did he have a FC? That's the first thing I would have offered. Second, please don't expect people to watch videos for normal dungeons. There are plenty of us who want to experience it first hand with our own eyes and try to figure things out as we go. In a 4 man dungeon the rest of you should be able to carry the noob even if it's frustrating. Now that being said, unless you are a fast learner then a noob should not really be tank. DPS though? Knock yourself out.

[Evumeimei]

It's honestly not hard to learn the basic mechanics of this game. And, if people are so inclined, they will look outside the game for more information. We also have Hall of the Novice now.

That being said, if someone is struggling you can offer to help. But this goes both ways. I believe they should also realize that something is not going well when they've died 8 times, and perhaps ask for advice. Unless they don't care enough, in which case, they are pretty much dead weight to a party.

I personally like performing well, so I watch guides before doing new content if I think it's necessary. Especially since seeing and doing something are two very different things.

Edit: It's within your right to hop into dungeons without having watched a guide. A lot of people do just that. But wanting to experience a dungeon blind is not really an excuse for bad play. Most dungeon enemies/bosses follow similar patterns. You can also ask if there are any specific boss mechanics you should know about if it's your first time.

[XiXiQ]

if my memory serves me, chimera does not have "the red aoe" to stand in. It's a completely different mechanic for a new player, and just says what colour chimera's eyes turn. Then an orb chases you about you need to place. It's simple enough to explain, but it's not bleedingly obvious the first time.

[Annah]

if my memory serves me, chimera does not have "the red aoe" to stand in. It's a completely different mechanic for a new player, and just says what colour chimera's eyes turn. Then an orb chases you about you need to place. It's simple enough to explain, but it's not bleedingly obvious the first time.

yup

I raised a dragoon five times during that fight. Never thought less of him. He was brand new. I do know it was a learning experience for him though.

I remember when we all first played against the Chimera. I remember us wiping for our very first play through.

[Jynx]

Long story short, I joined the duty finder and was matched up with a player who did not live up to my expectations.

Fixed that for you. You knew what you signed up for the second you hit the que.

Duty finder has no remorse over your expected level of play. Only a gear lvl requirement.

[cammi]

You know, after watching lots of new players and old alike in random places ingame. I have to say new players not knowing where to go or look or read is not the problem. People need to stop thinking " OMG a leaf.. it must be a shit player" without proof cause one or two leafs were shit. Hell would it be right if those new players came here and bitched about old players being stuck up assholes that can't offer a second of help? Cause that is what some old players do. Oooh I gotta slam and make fun of this person instead of helping them. But that's too much work apparently, and NO I'm not talking about the BAD leafs... but not every single leaf is BAD.