Apparently, new player means no one can look anything up anymore

[Windi]

I feel that its pretty clear you are supposed to dodge AoEs, you should know basic mechanics by self discovery/habit by level 40 and that doing your class and job quests are self explanatory because the tutorial/follow the main scenario quest icon are rather clear.

As someone who still has a bit of a hard time dodging AOEs myself, I think it's more a matter of anticipation rather than "can you move out of the way." Especially without the experience of fighting bosses/enemies repeatedly, you don't really have a figurative clock set in your head as to when you should start moving, so what happens, at least in my case, is that I see the marker, go "oh sh-t I need to move," side-step, and still get hit as I'm too late before the cast timer runs up. All of this stuff requires some practice, and not everyone has the reaction time for some of these either.

[dayspring83]

This is ridiculous. I think it's more shameful that you couldn't take 30 seconds to explain cutter's cry. It's simple to do so.

What's the difference between someone telling you how to do it and watching a guide? I get that some people wanna go in blind (hey knock yourself out) but you can't have it both ways. Either go in blind or watch a video.

[Welsper59]

What's the difference between someone telling you how to do it and watching a guide? I get that some people wanna go in blind (hey knock yourself out) but you can't have it both ways. Either go in blind or watch a video.

Because one expects you to take seconds and the other is noticeably longer AND generally covers more than is actually necessary (meaning unnecessary need to watch out for mechanics that don't mean anything). I know some folks would say that if they don't have the time to watch a video for a few minutes, then that's on them... well so is spending seconds typing it out for them. There's no higher ground for snobbery on that matter lol. Actually, not spending the few seconds typing out a warning on mechanics (at least if asked) for that petty reason makes you a target of mockery lol.

Going in blind doesn't always imply someone is not willing to compromise discovery from scratch for some bit of warning. If there's some "duh" type of group wipe mechanic, being warned about it isn't going to destroy their experience as a whole.

[Masekase_Hurricane]

End of the day, Do you know why those people are so freaking good on the YouTube guides? because they didn't need no fricking guide they learnt the mechanics and played the game lol and every time they failed they got back up and tried again.

[JumperX]

End of the day, Do you know why those people are so freaking good on the YouTube guides? because they didn't need no fricking guide they learnt the mechanics and played the game lol and every time they failed they got back up and tried again.

the thing is that it was the same group of people making the correction and then farming the dungeon(s). In the meantime, we have people in DF joining with the attitude of "going blind" or "DO NOT TELL ME WHAT I SHOULD" because they want to learn on their own with random people. That is a problem on its own. You can't expect people from DF to always be nice - they are human beings, and they might want to relax and enjoy a -one go- clear and then take it easy from the stressful day in their life. Unfortunately, that can be said as well for people who wants to enjoy the game and go blind because they want to work hard in game to enjoy and relax.

If you got a bad luck, you will get a party that disband. Once disbanded, they will need to queue again. Of course, they can use PF, but nowadays, we are hearing people who are trying sneak in farm parties to officially learn and then may be get a clear. It makes it tedious for everybody.

[Welsper59]

the thing is that it was the same group of people making the correction and then farming the dungeon(s). In the meantime, we have people in DF joining with the attitude of "going blind" or "DO NOT TELL ME WHAT I SHOULD" because they want to learn on their own with random people. That is a problem on its own. You can't expect people from DF to always be nice - they are human beings, and they might want to relax and enjoy a -one go- clear and then take it easy from the stressful day in their life. Unfortunately, that can be said as well for people who wants to enjoy the game and go blind because they want to work hard in game to enjoy and relax.

If you got a bad luck, you will get a party that disband. Once disbanded, they will need to queue again. Of course, they can use PF, but nowadays, we are hearing people who are trying sneak in farm parties to officially learn and then may be get a clear. It makes it tedious for everybody.

It's really about not taking yourself (and the game) so seriously. The need to type out a few sentences from time to time isn't the same inconvenience as someone demanding you to cure cancer while you try to enjoy this game. It's not the end of the world to have someone slow something down a little, nor is it the end of the world to have an unsuccessful group.

Sure, it's frustrating to waste an unreasonable amount of time (referring to that unsuccessful group), especially if it's involving content that is universally regarded as easy, but that's part of the price you pay for playing a game involving other people. Some folks need to get it in their head that it's just a video game. Being a d-bag to someone who clearly understands that aspect better than them is not helping prevent that inevitable aneurysm said rage-tastic player is sure to get.

[JumperX]

Yes, I think that giving advise is good. The problem is when the new player dont want to listen, but people wanting to join a farm party without knowledge don't have an excuse compared to people doing it in DF.

[Welsper59]

Yes, I think that giving advise is good. The problem is when the new player dont want to listen, but people wanting to join a farm party without knowledge don't have an excuse compared to people doing it in DF.

Yes, absolutely. That's a case where a d-bag is a d-bag, regardless of their player status, assuming they understand what "farm status" means... even if they don't, it's kinda on them to figure that one out. I don't believe in babying people when it comes to aspects that can involve deception. Likewise though, I would fault the leader on the matter if they didn't do the normal question routine of at least asking the player if they've done the content before.

[JumperX]

Yes, absolutely. That's a case where a d-bag is a d-bag, regardless of their player status, assuming they understand what "farm status" means... even if they don't, it's kinda on them to figure that one out. I don't believe in babying people when it comes to aspects that can involve deception. Likewise though, I would fault the leader on the matter if they didn't do the normal question routine of at least asking the player if they've done the content before.

Of course, I think I read some threads people then ranting about they getting kicked out because the leader didn't want to help and heard from the otherside leader badmouthing the new players . The real problem is people behavior to different situations.

[cammi]

Why do gamers ALWAYS blame the new people all the time. Apparently you can't be new to shit, you MUST know everything about everything before you even set foot in my party in freaking DF or else you're a piece of sh-t and need to jump off a cliff. No wonder people meet bad new players and they don't listen when they are instantly treated like shit, WHY should they listen to you?