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Thread: Bard PVP burst?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Makuro View Post
    Some matches from weeks ago. Notice my avg kill rate with whm as opposing healer. When scholar is opposing healer i have more assists because I can set up a kill but harder to one shot by yourself IF the healer is good.
    Imba scholars ;^)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Makuro View Post
    Oh look one of the scariest summoners on primal makes their cameo!



    I can definitely state from experience healing the damage that comes from Az is definitely more stressful than healing a bard that doesn't see the point in pressuring the healer even if it can be healed seemingly "easily". The stress isn't just placed on you by making you choose your gcds carefully, but also forces you to burn through your mana and potentially some pretty important cooldowns in order to keep up. Heaven forbid that someone messes up the cc resist on the bard on top of all that so you cannot prevent their burst anymore.
    Simply focus targeting a bard as a tank or healer is all you need to do to prevent most bards burst.
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    Straight shot,ven,wind, minuet,buff,barrage,emp,sidewinder,bloodletter, blunt, farshot. I find this to work well if I don't already have my dots up as they are instacast before minuet is up plus if they try to los u. U can still chase and attack before going minuet bombarding on them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Makuro View Post
    Some matches from weeks ago. Notice my avg kill rate with whm as opposing healer. When scholar is opposing healer i have more assists because I can set up a kill but harder to one shot by yourself IF the healer is good.
    Unless BLM, its hard to burst against Adloquiums. Though as a BLM I love killing the fairy in 2s forcing/preventing Dissipation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phantomsmile View Post
    Straight shot,ven,wind, minuet,buff,barrage,emp,sidewinder,bloodletter, blunt, farshot. I find this to work well if...
    Generally you only want to apply DoTs with Minuet on, however dropping WM to apply DoTs is a better choice in two scenarios. The person you are about to burst is running and you have a limited window to kill them. The other time this is good is if you have dots on someone else already and if your healer is trying to pay attention to your bursts you can DoT other ppl without WM on so they dont know who you are about to focus down.

    Also if you are going to turn WM off to apply DoT's try to have 1 buff up at least before you apply new DoT. Tanks look for when you are using a buff because they assume the next skill is barrage + emp or whatever. So that if you are stun locked until the end of time it would have been during a time when you were just applying a DoT (which happens A LOT).
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    Anyone knows how exactly The Warden's Paean works in pvp? It cannot be used when you are stunned like Purify, but it certainly removes one debuff like Sleep from a healer. But I've notcied if I apply it on myself before the burst I'm still getting stunned with it's icon still up, so its secondary effect doesn't always work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperZay View Post
    Anyone knows how exactly The Warden's Paean works in pvp? It cannot be used when you are stunned like Purify, but it certainly removes one debuff like Sleep from a healer. But I've notcied if I apply it on myself before the burst I'm still getting stunned with it's icon still up, so its secondary effect doesn't always work.
    It doesn't work with stun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperZay View Post
    You know that in the feast bursts and kills matter more, right?. After nerfs it doesn't even stress a healer anymore. Meanwile on bard I can do only 115k damage in 8 minutes but 3 surprise burst kills which is usually enough to win, and in the end it's all that matters.
    So many stuck up ass *who are you again?* people in the room tonight. Oh my~ Whatever. What Cool Boy's saying is actually a valid point. Matches can EASILY be ended/ won with a brd output of 115-20k, provided said brd is on target with his bursts. Is 150-60k nicer? Yes it is, but not needed (and no brd on primal..least matches Ive been in with has 'consistantly' broken 240k lololol.150-90 meibe, 200+..someone needs to learn to communicate targets better.) The multi-DoT concept is definitely sound but one also has to take into account how much the pillars come into play verses the majority of the match being in dead center, since Iron Jaws needs WM for use and can be screwed with constant adjustment by pillars/ partitions.

    Either way, its the burst/kills that are of utmost importance far as brd is concerned. If he/she can deliver those to the correct target -healer/ less than full health 4-5stacked tank etc- thats whats needed over all else. The extra damage in between just looks good on paper.
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    Last edited by Vaeria; 09-18-2016 at 12:10 PM.

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