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    Quote Originally Posted by Anchored0wl View Post
    If it means that there are now 2 good bards on primal im ok with him teaching.. i keep getting these barely 100k damage bards after a full 8 minutes. Meanwhile Az is over 240k lol
    You know my long arrow is saved especially for you and your sleep spamming self.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Makuro View Post
    You know my long arrow is saved especially for you and your sleep spamming self.
    Shhhh go back to sleep!
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    Sweet dreams barrage!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anchored0wl View Post
    If it means that there are now 2 good bards on primal im ok with him teaching.. i keep getting these barely 100k damage bards after a full 8 minutes. Meanwhile Az is over 240k lol
    You know that in the feast bursts and kills matter more, right? I could easily pad 300-400k damage on SMN with Bane and Shadowflares, and DoTs hitting all people accumulate to a nice damage over match, but if there are no kills and all that slow, fluffed damage is easily healable so there's no much point to it. After nerfs it doesn't even stress a healer anymore. Meanwile on bard I can do only 115k damage in 8 minutes but 3 surprise burst kills which is usually enough to win, and in the end it's all that matters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperZay View Post
    You know that in the feast bursts and kills matter more, right? ... but if there are no kills and all that slow, fluffed damage is easily healable so there's no much point to it. .
    Who are you again?
    Checked both current and last season and I don't see you.

    Smn is the king of pressure if played well. Whm in particular struggles to keep up with the amount of damage rolling on all targets and can be forced into using precious cool downs, that would have otherwise prevented your sneaky burst, if the healer had any awareness of what your class is capable of and at what interval.
    The same can be said for Brd. If they keep their dots up on multiple targets their burst can only be prevented by a tank that is watching their buffs or a sleep from blm or whm.
    Burst obviously is where you will gain the most ground on a healer when you are trying to kill one of their team mates but to say that "fluff damage" is pointless is foolish.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperZay View Post
    You know that in the feast bursts and kills matter more, right?. After nerfs it doesn't even stress a healer anymore. Meanwile on bard I can do only 115k damage in 8 minutes but 3 surprise burst kills which is usually enough to win, and in the end it's all that matters.
    So many stuck up ass *who are you again?* people in the room tonight. Oh my~ Whatever. What Cool Boy's saying is actually a valid point. Matches can EASILY be ended/ won with a brd output of 115-20k, provided said brd is on target with his bursts. Is 150-60k nicer? Yes it is, but not needed (and no brd on primal..least matches Ive been in with has 'consistantly' broken 240k lololol.150-90 meibe, 200+..someone needs to learn to communicate targets better.) The multi-DoT concept is definitely sound but one also has to take into account how much the pillars come into play verses the majority of the match being in dead center, since Iron Jaws needs WM for use and can be screwed with constant adjustment by pillars/ partitions.

    Either way, its the burst/kills that are of utmost importance far as brd is concerned. If he/she can deliver those to the correct target -healer/ less than full health 4-5stacked tank etc- thats whats needed over all else. The extra damage in between just looks good on paper.
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    Last edited by Vaeria; 09-18-2016 at 12:10 PM.

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    Don't worry Koltik, Az is teaching me how to BRD. I don't wanna play BLM anymore if their Sleep get nerfed. :c
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    Quote Originally Posted by Koltik View Post
    go away. stop teaching them. 1 of you is bad enough to deal with.
    I'm just an innocent bard trying to maybe get some glamour.
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    It's also important to know your maximum damage range. You can go to Wolf Den pier and spam one skill like Heavy Shot on a trainning dummy from different ranges, and you'll notice how less damage you do after exactly 15 yalms. With WM up you'll do the same damage at 0-15y, but without it at point blank the damage is very low, mediocre at 15y and low again at higher range.

    The burst with all buffs up without lucky crits damages around 70-80% HP bar so never do it on anyone with full HP, because it'll give a healer a second or two to react and heal. But if you are bursting the healer, immediatelly after triple Empyreal Arrow+Sidewinder+Farshot use Blunt Arrow, 1 second silence will also give time to fit in fast Mysery and Bloodletter for a guaranteed finisher.

    Do not burst anyone when attuned (know it's icon), when anyone stands on greenish Sacred Prism, when someone is covered (know it's icon), when there's tank LB or Testudo in action (know their icons).

    Ranged LB is usually wasted, the best use for it it's probably after enemy healer dies and their team runs back to base, pick a target with 50% HP, Shadowbind it and LB quickly.
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    As a warrior playing feast, I spam overpower, got to get that damage up.

    Bard has a lot of good aoe atk, spam them all, put up your dots on multiple foes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kai_Lee View Post
    As a warrior playing feast, I spam overpower, got to get that damage up.

    Bard has a lot of good aoe atk, spam them all, put up your dots on multiple foes.
    I think that is my dps problem as a bard I'm not putting dots on multiple players during the match. Learn something new everyday.
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