Fracture on Lv 60 PLD?

[Sweetgrass]

After doing some math, it seems like inserting Fracture after every Goring Blade is a small DPS increase, albeit at a much higher TP cost. Is my math solid here?

I imagine it'd be useful on short fights like A5S, or fights with lots of downtime like A8S

[mosaicex]

RA combo is average 233.33 potency per gcd, while fracture is 220. So math-wise shouldn't RA combo win?

[Sweetgrass]

RA combo is average 233.33 potency per gcd, while fracture is 220. So math-wise shouldn't RA combo win?

You would be correct, but after someone brought it up to me, I did realize that you clip 1 tick of Goring Blade pretty reliably, maybe even 2 if you have high skill speed. This is 50 potency you're missing out on, and why the second set of potencies ends up slightly higher after a couple Goring Blade rotations. It's the same methodology behind Fracture on MNK, getting 1-2 more ticks of Demolish/ToD is worth the slightly lower potency.

[Sweetgrass]

Addendum, a shorter examination with slashing debuff looks like this, a much smaller difference



Because of how tiny this difference is, if a NIN was to put up slashing debuff with a higher skill speed and buff the Goring Blade's application hit, using Fracture is then a ppGCD loss. I think it's pretty negligible as is, the TP cost nonwithstanding.

[cheolsu]

Don't you have anything better to do, like cast stoneskin on people? I bet your healer could do more damage than you're getting from fracture if they didn't have to heal people.

[Mikey_R]

Just done a quick test to see just how much is clipped, and it refreshed on 2 seconds (2.41 GCD), this means, there is still 1 second where you can hit that last tick and get full damage and as you know, this is stronger. Going with the numbers I calculated;

Full Goring Blade Potency = 2420 over 9 GCDs = 268.89
Goring missing one tick, no fracture = 2370 over 9 GCDs = 263.33
Goring missing one tick with Fracture = 2640 over 10 GCDs = 264

So, going back to the first point, technically, there is a 1/3 chance you get the full Goring potency, and 2/3 chance you get the reduced potency, so average them out (268.89 + [2*263.33])/3 = 265.19 Potency per GCD on average, which is still higher than the rotation with Fracture, by 1.85 Potency per GCD. Adding in the slashing debuff and it increases to 2.43 Potency per GCD.

In conclusion then, it is still better, on average, to exclude Fracture from the rotation, unless you know you are missing that tick from Goring Blade (which realistically, noone can do). As for when it will be a potency increase, you effectively need to guarantee you miss that last tick, so you are looking for 21 seconds of Goring Blade, which, divided by 9, gets you to 2.33 GCD needed before fracture is, on average, better than Goring Blade.

[Jukebox12]

It also depends on the fight. Where you cannot get 9 gcds. a5s and a6s. Blaster i can only get 4 gcds this means goring blade and fracture. It always depends on fight.

[SpookyGhost]

Blaster i can only get 4 gcds this means goring blade and fracture. It always depends on fight.

Confused, how are you only getting 4 GCDs on Blaster? Do you mean before you have to go pop a mine?

[Jukebox12]

Confused, how are you only getting 4 GCDs on Blaster? Do you mean before you have to go pop a mine?

Yup yup yes.

[Sarcatica]

It also depends on the fight. Where you cannot get 9 gcds. a5s and a6s. Blaster i can only get 4 gcds this means goring blade and fracture. It always depends on fight.

You can absolutely get more than 4 GCDs before going to the mine. I always end up almost pushing that 9 GCDs that you can still do after you get the knockback to the boss again. About 6 GCDs or so, mine will spawn and you still have time to do 2 GCDs~ before actually needing to pop the mine before positioning for the Mirage.

Quite confused as to why you mention A5S and A6S not able to get 9 GCDs, the only time when you can't get that 9 GCDs in A5S is when you get concussion-ed. And even then if you pull first, your damage is crap because of the debuff, making RoH combo the best to use with the delayed FoF after he is small. The rest are highly adjustable.

There is almost no real situation to actually using Fracture, except when you are doing Boost in A5S where you want all your dots to tick and possibly the Brawler balls in A6S.