Slap in the face to all Final Fantasy fans

[Honey_Tailtwitcher]

I really think continuing to nerf the relic quest if a slap in the face to real final fantasy fans who really enjoy the grind. Please keep at least one difficult thing in the game for true fans who don't enjoy the traditional final fantasy grind. I know I'm not a casual, but I'm a life long fan who has played both XI & XIV since beta. I know you have to cater to the casual player for more cash, but is there any way to keep one thing - just one - for us loyal FF grinders out there? It's just a slap in the face every time the relic gets nerfed into the realm of the easy. Thank you for listening

[MarsAttacks]

I agree.
Hearing the latest news makes me not even want to log in again.
Put the anima quest back to the way it was, and provide a heads up to the community next time.
Now we got crafters losing jobs in-game, and anima weapons that you can get in less then a day. My gil is still low from the purchases, maybe provide me a 90% refund?

Did we get anything new?
Or was this to keep us busy for a few more days until a patch with content?
.... or just another silly event not even related to the final fantasy series?
Screw these stupid events too btw, sorry for those that wasted their time developing that instead of new content that would have been appreciated.

[ManuelBravo]

I agree certain things shouldn't be nerfed instead they should have a more benefiting factor. Something that sets them apart for loyal fans. Not some 5 point stat difference and title. But a unique weapon that we can say for the TRUE fans of FF.

[Windi]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the things nerfed in this patch are at a state of not being really relevant to the current metagame anymore. Why should the same tedium be kept to get an item that isn't worth it anymore?

[Nezerius]

But OP, if you're such a hardcore grinder, then surely you already have the i240 version of the relic?

The i210 step is over 9 months old, and it's no longer relevant to current content, as there are easy ways to obtain i235 and i240 weapons.
On the other hand, the i240 relic still requires 5 aether oils (for the i230 relic step) and the grind for the current relic step, so it's not like the grind is completely removed.

[Elleia]

Here's the thing - this gear in this game is constantly becoming outdated. Currently, this nerf allows players to more easily gain the i210 relic. They then still have to obtain 5 aether oils to get to the i230 step, and then they have to grind for umbrites and sands. i210 is severely outdated - there are many better weapons available. Leaving outdated steps alone without ever nerfing them would discourage new players from ever trying for a weapon. This is why the HW relic is completely separate from the ARR one - imagine having to start with an i80 relic right now and build it all the way up to the i240 one. And what if you decide to change mains and want to obtain another relic? It would just take too long to even get a relevant, useful weapon.

This isn't the type of game to implement a weapon that is 'the best' and allow it to stay the best for years to come. If that were the case, then maybe grinding would be worth it, and no nerfs would be needed. However, as gear levels are constantly updated and growing, the grind only lengthens, making it harder for anyone to start from scratch. They will always nerf steps to give newer players a springboard and encourage more people to complete their relics, thus encouraging players to continue engaging in content. A trend with these relic steps is that they are often used to bolster participation in duties that are not run frequently (i.e the tower series for aether oil). If nobody is doing relics, or if they are stuck far back on an earlier step, then these queues die out - exactly what SE is trying to prevent.

[Esp]

The upgrade to 240 is still a grind in itself as well. The upgrade to 210 is no longer relevant now that you can get a much stronger, higher ilvl weapon much faster, to the point THAT part of the grind only no longer made sense, so it was reduced.

People still have to do the steps, just less items, so it's still not something handed to them, and RNG is still against you for the atma part...so nothing is really handed to the said "less than final fantasy fans" out there..so what's the problem?

I've finished my relic long before these steps are nerfed, and it hasn't effected me at all, so does that not make me a final fantasy fan as well? really confused with that the issue is?

Want a real challenge? Savage Alex is still there. Relic is a grind and nothing more, there is no challenge like it used to be back in 2.0.

[bounddreamer]

I'm a real Final Fantasy fan who's been playing FF games for 20 years and I don't approve of your proposal.

[ManuelBravo]

As most TRUE Final Fantasy Fans know, Relics keep evolving, you can adjust the stats and over all in the long run seem to be a better choice vs hey here you go, here are your stats. Now if they did Relic gear that you can grind that would be a bonus, maybe only usable if a relic equipped :P

[Starkbeaumont]

what does the nerf has to do with being a final fantasy fan? most of the serie's entries don't even have much grind in it. there are far more grindier RPG series tham FF.
also grind =/= difficult...
making older content easier to access isn't new aswell, it's actually something good.
that 210 step was really hard for new ppl or those that return after a long period. a fresh 60 can probably be done with the relic in about a month now, since you could basically work on a few steps at once.