Frontlines are just fine, no need for any changes.

[Synestra]

Im pretty sure there is still some problems with que system, its not uncommon to sit in que closer to 30min then drop it re-que and get almost insta pop after that. Roulette messes ques so i stopped using it and now i just que manually for SR and Shatter.

[Synestra]

Frontlines is boring. Its basically head smashing against other players with little to no tactic involved other than, run away and let other team bash their heads, grab bases, attack nodes that pop around the same times every game, and thats it.

Couldnt be more far from the truth, it just that majority of players dont know how to play these modes properly. Now if you could do Shatter as an alliance premade vs 2 other GC's being also premades it would reveal real meta behind this mode(in 72 there would be multiple 4man "blackops" teams scattered around map securing/camping small ices for example), lastnight i witnessed how Immortal(dunno if it was premade or not)literally owned both Mael and Adders strategy vise, they literally abused our push against adders and flanked them and as soon as we managed to get adders base they retreated to kill big ice leaving us fighting useless fight with respawning adders.

So for those immortal players i must say "GG well played and keep it up!"

[Kurogaea]

Snips

Your aware that all it takes is Maelstrom to be angry at Flames to just constantly harass their team making Black Ops groups somewhat useless? If Mael and Adders weren't busy duking it out they'd realize, oh right, THAT mechanic. Yeah no, the mode is plain as the Sieze.

[enthauptet]

PVP would be more fun if it felt different than just playing PVE. It'd probably help if you didn't use your PVE skills at all and just PVP skills. I like the bard 205 gear a lot, but the queue is so long and the gameplay is so dull I'd just rather not do it.

[Reptiletc]

The main issue here is the GC restrictions. Lets say people notice that a particular GC has a higher win-streak, so they switch over to them, then you have 50+ people queuing in as that GC. If restrictions were removed and it simply was a "Insert color here" team style, those players would be distributed around to the other teams to create a full match. Thus cutting down queue times easily.

As it stands, one team can be formed entirely while the others remain half full, if not empty, thus not allowing the game to initiate a match.

They really didn't think too far ahead when making this system..

[Khalithar]

Have you given PvP a try?
If not, why?

No.

No, because:

1. MMO PVP is always horribly unbalanced. Either because of overpowered healers (healing in PVP should DELAY death not PREVENT it, big difference) where no one ever dies, overpowered DPS that can burst someone down instantly and it becomes that OP class 2-3 shotting people, or drastic gear imbalance where whoever has the best gear always wins even if you're better than the other person. I honestly prefer PVP where everyone is given the exact same stats and abilities and it's on you to use them to maximum effectiveness. But I've always maintained the first and only ever truly balanced PVP was Pong.

2. The attitude of PVPers has often been really awful, competitive gameplay really brings out the worst in people, sore losers and sore winners especially are the worst types of people to interact with. I notice a certain element of people tend to be attracted to that mentality and they generally infest games with PVP.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

Khalithar, while your first point is rather true, I would like to dispute your second point and say that I personally have seen a stronger and more cooperative community within the small number of PvPers than I've even seen on my own server. Yes, there are some bad apples and notorious players, but largely, the PvP community on Aether has become a very pleasant experience and memory for me. It would be unfair to simply say "all PvPers have nasty attitudes" based on evidence from other games, and especially without actually giving it a chance and experiencing it for yourself.

[Khalithar]

It would be unfair to simply say "all PvPers have nasty attitudes" based on evidence from other games, and especially without actually giving it a chance and experiencing it for yourself.

That experience from other games (and I've played a lot believe me) really soured me on the whole PVP thing. I played on PVP servers for years with a "kill or be killed" attitude and based on the players there and in all those other games, that's been my experience. While I don't claim "all PVPers have awful attitudes" the ones I've dealt with almost always do and it really soured me on the whole thing.

However, even if what you say is true and the PVP community in this game is as good as you say, reason 1 is more than enough to stop me from PVPing.

[Synestra]

Your aware that all it takes is Maelstrom to be angry at Flames to just constantly harass their team making Black Ops groups somewhat useless? If Mael and Adders weren't busy duking it out they'd realize, oh right, THAT mechanic. Yeah no, the mode is plain as the Sieze.

Again its not really modes fault if peoples are stupid and i agree it sucks when it happens, this is the reason why i personally prefer 24mans instead 72 as there are less derps there to screw things over.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

Reason #1 has been an issue in the past, but if you look carefully enough, you'll see SE has been rather proactive about balancing PvP. No, it will never be a perfe t balance, but gear imbalances aren't an issue with ilvl sync, jobs largely have their strengths and weaknesses, but there is no "OP" job effectively, and even what seems like the most unbeatable strategies have their counters.

I would not ask you to force yourself to try the PvP in this game, but to withhold any justifications for disliking until you at least have tried it. 3.4 is bringing some very positive and long sought changes. That perhaps may be a good time to approach a friend or someone you know that may actively PvP, and giving it a legitimate try.